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My friend's dad was just diagnosed with stage 3 renal failure and his doctor is emphatic his diet is the culprit. He'd been an advocate of the keto diet for ye

My friend's dad was just diagnosed with stage 3 renal failure and his doctor is emphatic his diet is the culprit. He'd been an advocate of the keto diet for years. Biology is complicated and different people will have different results. I'm glad it's working for you but please exercise caution before assuming it will help everyone. You also might want to get your kidneys tested. https://www.renalandurologynews.com/home/news/nephrology/chronic-kidney-disease-ckd/ketogenic-diet-potentially-harmful-especially-in-patients-with-ckd/ https://www.renalandurologynews.com/home/news/nephrology/chr...

sph 4y ago
My grandma lived 95 while smoking a pack a day since her 20s. N=1 anecdotes are not worth the energy discussing them. Her son (my father), lived 55 while smoking a pack a day since his 20s. -- Also, what is keto diet? I've seen keto diets made of mostly meat and organic vegetables, and keto diets made of fat bombs and almond flour pizzas. Keto and low carb these days have stopped meaning anything, often doesn't even mean "healthier".
- Judgmentality 4y ago
  If someone suggests something is a cure all for everyone, and a doctor says that cure all is killing someone, and there's medical research backing up the doctor - I'm going to trust the doctor. My N=1 anecdote is a counterexample that has medical research to back it up. Or are you discrediting the person's anecdote about a carnivorous diet being healthy?
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blfr 4y ago
The hydration meme (drinking a gallon+ of fluids a day) is one the few fads that are actually sound. Anyway, the long term effects are not that worrisome since virtually no one will stick to a diet this strict. I wouldn't also recommend strict keto or carnivore because without carbs most people will lack the oomph for a good workout.
ddorian43 4y ago
This always gets flamewar territory. My general answers are: 1. In every health thread we should post a picture of our body 2. Find a doctor that agrees with your opinion. Whatever it is you will find one. 3. I/we usually take harder things than the keto/carnivore thing (trust me) 4. Many things that we've been told our lives has been a lie. Maybe the keto/carnivore is also like that. 5. Please gather all your docs and start a thread on twitter with the "top" keto researchers (@nicknorwitz, @KetoCarnivore, @ChrisPalmerMD, @realDaveFeldman some that I follow) 6. High carb is killing the developed world. Please exercise caution.
- Judgmentality 4y ago
  I don't want to continue a flame war, but I want to respond to this: > 2. Find a doctor that agrees with your opinion. Whatever it is you will find one. I don't want a doctor to confirm my bias. I want a doctor to give me objective data about my health.
  - ddorian43 4y ago
    > I don't want a doctor to confirm my bias. You randomly got one that confirmed your bias. See Virta Health for FDA approved example. It's progressing slowly. If you are open minded for real check the book "Brain Energy" https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Energy-Revolutionary-Understanding-Health/dp/1637741588 https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Energy-Revolutionary-Understand...
    - Judgmentality 4y ago
      > You randomly got one that confirmed your bias. When I listen to someone tell me objective data I'm confirming a bias I never had to begin with? The amount of projecting you're doing is extraordinary. If a doctor told you your kidneys were failing after getting them tested (I already linked the research for you to read, but clearly you're afraid of information that doesn't confirm your bias), would you then go find a doctor that tells you your kidneys are fine? Your fear of information is literally going to kill you. This is the mentality that leads to anti-vaxxing. > If you are open minded for real check This is ironic since you're not even open-minded to listening to a doctor, or medical research, or anything that disagrees with what you already think you know. You are a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect.
dghughes 4y ago
High protein diets can trash a person's kidneys. I've read that each kidney has a seven fold overcapacity for what people need. So if the kidneys are damaged something majorly bad had to have happened. Kidneys are also involved in blood production along with bones.
- ddorian43 4y ago
  Carnivore or keto is high fat diet. It's not high protein https://www.thecarnivoredietcoach.com/carnivore-foods.html https://www.thecarnivoredietcoach.com/carnivore-foods.html

sph 4y ago

My grandma lived 95 while smoking a pack a day since her 20s. N=1 anecdotes are not worth the energy discussing them. Her son (my father), lived 55 while smoking a pack a day since his 20s. -- Also, what is keto diet? I've seen keto diets made of mostly meat and organic vegetables, and keto diets made of fat bombs and almond flour pizzas. Keto and low carb these days have stopped meaning anything, often doesn't even mean "healthier".

Judgmentality 4y ago
If someone suggests something is a cure all for everyone, and a doctor says that cure all is killing someone, and there's medical research backing up the doctor - I'm going to trust the doctor. My N=1 anecdote is a counterexample that has medical research to back it up. Or are you discrediting the person's anecdote about a carnivorous diet being healthy?
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blfr 4y ago

The hydration meme (drinking a gallon+ of fluids a day) is one the few fads that are actually sound. Anyway, the long term effects are not that worrisome since virtually no one will stick to a diet this strict. I wouldn't also recommend strict keto or carnivore because without carbs most people will lack the oomph for a good workout.

ddorian43 4y ago

This always gets flamewar territory. My general answers are: 1. In every health thread we should post a picture of our body 2. Find a doctor that agrees with your opinion. Whatever it is you will find one. 3. I/we usually take harder things than the keto/carnivore thing (trust me) 4. Many things that we've been told our lives has been a lie. Maybe the keto/carnivore is also like that. 5. Please gather all your docs and start a thread on twitter with the "top" keto researchers (@nicknorwitz, @KetoCarnivore, @ChrisPalmerMD, @realDaveFeldman some that I follow) 6. High carb is killing the developed world. Please exercise caution.

Judgmentality 4y ago
I don't want to continue a flame war, but I want to respond to this: > 2. Find a doctor that agrees with your opinion. Whatever it is you will find one. I don't want a doctor to confirm my bias. I want a doctor to give me objective data about my health.
- ddorian43 4y ago
  > I don't want a doctor to confirm my bias. You randomly got one that confirmed your bias. See Virta Health for FDA approved example. It's progressing slowly. If you are open minded for real check the book "Brain Energy" https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Energy-Revolutionary-Understanding-Health/dp/1637741588 https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Energy-Revolutionary-Understand...
  - Judgmentality 4y ago
    > You randomly got one that confirmed your bias. When I listen to someone tell me objective data I'm confirming a bias I never had to begin with? The amount of projecting you're doing is extraordinary. If a doctor told you your kidneys were failing after getting them tested (I already linked the research for you to read, but clearly you're afraid of information that doesn't confirm your bias), would you then go find a doctor that tells you your kidneys are fine? Your fear of information is literally going to kill you. This is the mentality that leads to anti-vaxxing. > If you are open minded for real check This is ironic since you're not even open-minded to listening to a doctor, or medical research, or anything that disagrees with what you already think you know. You are a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

dghughes 4y ago

High protein diets can trash a person's kidneys. I've read that each kidney has a seven fold overcapacity for what people need. So if the kidneys are damaged something majorly bad had to have happened. Kidneys are also involved in blood production along with bones.

ddorian43 4y ago
Carnivore or keto is high fat diet. It's not high protein https://www.thecarnivoredietcoach.com/carnivore-foods.html https://www.thecarnivoredietcoach.com/carnivore-foods.html