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I don't know if my own anecdote will help you but I've been overweight since I was a child and I've done just about every diet under the moon. I used to hate my

I don't know if my own anecdote will help you but I've been overweight since I was a child and I've done just about every diet under the moon. I used to hate myself and my body, a lot. I went to the gym three days a days week pushing myself hard and counted calories, and my weight wouldn't budge. I ended up developing a lot of disordered eating doing fasting and I really thought I could hate myself into being thin. When I finally found keto and it worked, I started dropping weight and I quickly lost control of my diet and started to starve myself in earnest while continuing what exercise I could. After a while all I could do was take long walks. I lost 80 pounds in 8 months doing this, and I was still considered over weight by about 60 pounds. I never got any happier with myself by changing my body. I still didn't think I was worth anything unless I could get tiny. I had really bad brain fog, I stopped being able to produce my own body heat, started to have fainting spells, and finally heart palpitations. When I went to the doctor all they told me is what a good job I was doing losing weight and that the palpitations were from my panic disorder. I finally stopped keto because my partner sat me down and begged me to stop. It was really hard and it took time to give it up, but I finally did. I had no real muscle left and I was so fatigued... Over the course of a year... I gained all the weight back. I still have palpitations sometimes, and I will never know what damage yoyo dieting for years did to me. I don't diet anymore, I've started intuitive eating and my diet has improved over all. I eat variety now, more vegetables and lots of protein. I also have carbs, and dessert with I want it. I've also started doing things for the experience rather than to make my body look a certain and ultimately unattainable way. I don't focus on how I look anymore, I focus on being strong. I am now highly active and doing activities I never thought I would be capable of in my fat body. I take dance classes four times a week, I lift weights, and I am starting Lyra and aerial classes. I also don't step on scales anymore. But I can tell you I haven't magically shrunk. I guess what I'm trying to say is... Any standard of "in shape" can be impossible for any person. We aren't all meant to look that same and I think that people are caring less about being overweight because it should never have been a limiting factor to you enjoying your life, being active, and being well loved by the right people.

jinjin2 4y ago
> We aren't all meant to look that same Is that actually true though? Take a look at the photographic evidence of hunter-gatherers. They all largely look the same physique wise. I think there is a good argument, at least from an historical/anthropological perspective, that that is how we are all meant to look.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  > Take a look at the photographic evidence of hunter-gatherers I think this would need more development. What do you mean by "hunter-gatherers", and what photographic evidence we have. For instance there's African societies which would fit the "hunter-gatherer" label (for instance the Akan in Ghana) and they're not all looking the same.
- snovv_crash 4y ago
  No need to look that far back. Look at pictures/videos of random people on the streets in the 1930s.
oifjsidjf 4y ago
You are fooling yourself if you think that being fat is healthy. You were on a very good path when doing keto, but why did you starve yourself? There are two kinds of diets that lead to healthy weight loss: 1) low-fat high-carb 2) high-fat low-carb Pick one and stick with it. But god help you if you will mix large amounts of carbs and fats. Your only mistake is that you starved yourself on keto, people have extreme success on keto/carnivore. No need to starve yourself.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  > You are fooling yourself if you think that being fat is healthy. You are responding to a description of pain and suffering through all kinds of diets....with a push to do more diet. And that, without any better argumentation than "There are two kinds of diets that lead to healthy weight loss". At this point it's just plain evil.
  - oifjsidjf 4y ago
    You understood nothing that I wrote. Obesity leads to an early death. "Evil"? Trying to show a person that his mistake was starving himself when he thinks that keto was the problem is evil? Since when is pointing out mistakes that a person can use to correct himself evil? You truly have a warped worldview. If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way. If you belive that diet==starvation than you understand nothing about dieting. For example, people on a good keto diet do not even remotely starve, are fully satiated (after the first 14 days that the body requires so adjust to this diet, which is an annoying period) and lose a lot of weight.
    - makeitdouble 4y ago
      > Obesity leads to an early death. So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place. From the parent's post, it's clear that dieting has done significant damage, and they got better when they stopped caring about that "Obesity leads to an early death." mantra: > I still have palpitations sometimes, and I will never know what damage yoyo dieting for years did to me. [...] I don't focus on how I look anymore, I focus on being strong. On your general stance on the subject: > If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way. This is a text book example of dogma. and if you really meant it, I guess there will be no amount of discussion that actually leads to anything productive on either yours or my side...
gibagger 4y ago
I don't think denial is the way to go about it if you want to live a long and healthy life. If you have been overweight since you were a kid, you have an entire lifetime worth of a bad relationship with food which needs to be looked at with the help of a professional. No temporary diet will help. Have you ever sought therapy?
nmfisher 4y ago
I don't understand - you went on keto, it worked, then you starved yourself and felt rubbish, so you gave up keto? Why didn't you continue keto without starving yourself?

jinjin2 4y ago

> We aren't all meant to look that same Is that actually true though? Take a look at the photographic evidence of hunter-gatherers. They all largely look the same physique wise. I think there is a good argument, at least from an historical/anthropological perspective, that that is how we are all meant to look.

makeitdouble 4y ago
> Take a look at the photographic evidence of hunter-gatherers I think this would need more development. What do you mean by "hunter-gatherers", and what photographic evidence we have. For instance there's African societies which would fit the "hunter-gatherer" label (for instance the Akan in Ghana) and they're not all looking the same.
snovv_crash 4y ago
No need to look that far back. Look at pictures/videos of random people on the streets in the 1930s.

oifjsidjf 4y ago

You are fooling yourself if you think that being fat is healthy. You were on a very good path when doing keto, but why did you starve yourself? There are two kinds of diets that lead to healthy weight loss: 1) low-fat high-carb 2) high-fat low-carb Pick one and stick with it. But god help you if you will mix large amounts of carbs and fats. Your only mistake is that you starved yourself on keto, people have extreme success on keto/carnivore. No need to starve yourself.

makeitdouble 4y ago
> You are fooling yourself if you think that being fat is healthy. You are responding to a description of pain and suffering through all kinds of diets....with a push to do more diet. And that, without any better argumentation than "There are two kinds of diets that lead to healthy weight loss". At this point it's just plain evil.
- oifjsidjf 4y ago
  You understood nothing that I wrote. Obesity leads to an early death. "Evil"? Trying to show a person that his mistake was starving himself when he thinks that keto was the problem is evil? Since when is pointing out mistakes that a person can use to correct himself evil? You truly have a warped worldview. If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way. If you belive that diet==starvation than you understand nothing about dieting. For example, people on a good keto diet do not even remotely starve, are fully satiated (after the first 14 days that the body requires so adjust to this diet, which is an annoying period) and lose a lot of weight.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    > Obesity leads to an early death. So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place. From the parent's post, it's clear that dieting has done significant damage, and they got better when they stopped caring about that "Obesity leads to an early death." mantra: > I still have palpitations sometimes, and I will never know what damage yoyo dieting for years did to me. [...] I don't focus on how I look anymore, I focus on being strong. On your general stance on the subject: > If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way. This is a text book example of dogma. and if you really meant it, I guess there will be no amount of discussion that actually leads to anything productive on either yours or my side...

gibagger 4y ago

I don't think denial is the way to go about it if you want to live a long and healthy life. If you have been overweight since you were a kid, you have an entire lifetime worth of a bad relationship with food which needs to be looked at with the help of a professional. No temporary diet will help. Have you ever sought therapy?

nmfisher 4y ago

I don't understand - you went on keto, it worked, then you starved yourself and felt rubbish, so you gave up keto? Why didn't you continue keto without starving yourself?