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> Did mixed races no exist at the time of the stories writing? Not really, Asimov was born in 100% white Russia and then moved to USA during the 1920s where se

> Did mixed races no exist at the time of the stories writing? Not really, Asimov was born in 100% white Russia and then moved to USA during the 1920s where segregation was still a thing. > Did the robot characters who looked human but were from a completely different world view connecting not exist? Of course there were different worlds with different cultures, rites, traditions, religions and even food (or martial arts), but their look is not taken into great account. Asimov was a biochemist after all, not an anthropologist. I agree that actualization of a work of fiction it is not bending objective facts, my impression though is that content platforms are more following than leading, they are giving the public what the public will consume, which is dull, it is like giving kids candies or cake because we already know they'll eat them. There is no real surprise, no Sam Raimi's The Evil Dead or Carpenter's The Thing/Assault on Precint 13/They live, no Peter Jackson's Bad Taste, everything is so canonical and completely unimaginative. There is no space left for provocative, out of the box, even offensive, creation (unless it is sexually defining for minorities, like a dildo, homosexual intercourse, etc. something that wouldn't even shock my 82 years old dad) In a way they are segmenting the market based on the idea they wanna project of themselves: - Netflix: social activists involved in identity politics, teenagers (with superpower or supernatural powers), binge watchers, kids and some old show to entertain their parents too (all of Star Trek for example, the only reason I still use Netflix) - Prime Video: crime aficionados, intelligent comedy (it better be British), superheroes with a twist, people like me who already pay for amazon prime and are not young anymore - Apple TV: fancy, grandiose, epic stories, that unfortunately lack in writing and results are mixed. For people who love a great cast in a show. - HBO: actual quality content, for people who love to pay for quality content.

lovich 4y ago
> Not really, Asimov was born in 100% white Russia and then moved to USA during the 1920s where segregation was still a thing. It was a facetious question. Of course mixed race people existed! There was no such thing as a 100% white Russia by any definition of the term in any era! It was an imperial state with explicit multiple ethnicities as far as the locals were concerned. Like Jesus Christ, Asimov himself was Jewish and then migrated to the multi ethnic United States when he was three! Do you honestly believe there were states with 100% pure ethnic polities at any point in history? Even supremacists states like the American South in the slave era had other ethnic groups as an underclass and frequently had children with them. Like I can’t even look at the rest of your comment when you’re claiming Russia was 100% white. I couldn’t handle it if you said it was 90% white. All of Siberia? Dagestan? Tatarstan? Chechnya? Edit:looked it up to make sure my Russian history knowledge hadn’t been made obsolete by new primary sources. Inorodtsy was the term in the Russian empire for the non Russian ethnic groups controlled by the empire. You seriously need to take a look through history if you think the acknowledgement of minorities existence is a modern interpretation of historical facts
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > There was no such thing as a 100% white Russia by any definition of the term in any era! He was born in 100% white Russia. In 1998 the village were Asimov was born counted 215 residents... Of course Asimov being Jewish from a Russian Jewish family that dated back at least 4 generations, knew very well of being Jewish. > You seriously need to take a look through history if you think the acknowledgement of minorities existence is a modern interpretation of historical facts You're overreacting mate. I know very well Russian history, there were no black people and still there are few. That's all I meant, you're arguing in bad faith. Ad hominem won't cancel the fact that Asimov wasn't interested in mixed races in the Foundation, he was interested in everything else but identity politics for the influencers. > Do you honestly believe there were states with 100% pure ethnic polities at any point in history? You're confused. Take China for example, there are at least 50 official ethnic groups. But 92% of the people are Han. It means there are 1.3 billion Han people, more than US+Europe+Russia combined. So yes, there are large areas of China where 100% of the people are Han. Modern Japan is 98.5% Japanese. It's like saying it's 100% Japanese. In the past? Except for salves, prisoners and Ainu in Hokkaido, we can say it was 100% Japanese with a very high confidence. For a foreigner Ainu and Japanese would also look the same. If you were born in 1919 your World would have been the people around you, Internet did not exist, television did not exist, books were hard to find, traveling was expensive etc etc.
  - lovich 4y ago
    You know they didn’t consider Jews white right? You can’t say it’s 100% one group but also the main person we’re talking about isn’t white. Also reiterating the question, where did diversity in the show bend objective facts?
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      > You can’t say it’s 100% one group but also the main person we’re talking about isn’t white The person we are talking about was born in a country that considered people not white because they weren't white enough (would you say, for example, that Asimov is not Caucasian?), like Americans did to Italians, it happened to my grand-grand-father too. If that's not 100% white country mentality I don't know which one qualifies... > Also reiterating the question, where did diversity in the show bend objective facts? Is it a fact that in a distant future the human space colonies will be racially diverse in the way it is depicted in the show? Or is it a decision from the authors? I mean, if it was an historical documentary on South Americas in the 14th century we could talk about facts (and even there... we should present different theories on controversial topics, not just embrace one), but in a work of fiction every single detail count as "bending facts".

lovich 4y ago

> Not really, Asimov was born in 100% white Russia and then moved to USA during the 1920s where segregation was still a thing. It was a facetious question. Of course mixed race people existed! There was no such thing as a 100% white Russia by any definition of the term in any era! It was an imperial state with explicit multiple ethnicities as far as the locals were concerned. Like Jesus Christ, Asimov himself was Jewish and then migrated to the multi ethnic United States when he was three! Do you honestly believe there were states with 100% pure ethnic polities at any point in history? Even supremacists states like the American South in the slave era had other ethnic groups as an underclass and frequently had children with them. Like I can’t even look at the rest of your comment when you’re claiming Russia was 100% white. I couldn’t handle it if you said it was 90% white. All of Siberia? Dagestan? Tatarstan? Chechnya? Edit:looked it up to make sure my Russian history knowledge hadn’t been made obsolete by new primary sources. Inorodtsy was the term in the Russian empire for the non Russian ethnic groups controlled by the empire. You seriously need to take a look through history if you think the acknowledgement of minorities existence is a modern interpretation of historical facts

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> There was no such thing as a 100% white Russia by any definition of the term in any era! He was born in 100% white Russia. In 1998 the village were Asimov was born counted 215 residents... Of course Asimov being Jewish from a Russian Jewish family that dated back at least 4 generations, knew very well of being Jewish. > You seriously need to take a look through history if you think the acknowledgement of minorities existence is a modern interpretation of historical facts You're overreacting mate. I know very well Russian history, there were no black people and still there are few. That's all I meant, you're arguing in bad faith. Ad hominem won't cancel the fact that Asimov wasn't interested in mixed races in the Foundation, he was interested in everything else but identity politics for the influencers. > Do you honestly believe there were states with 100% pure ethnic polities at any point in history? You're confused. Take China for example, there are at least 50 official ethnic groups. But 92% of the people are Han. It means there are 1.3 billion Han people, more than US+Europe+Russia combined. So yes, there are large areas of China where 100% of the people are Han. Modern Japan is 98.5% Japanese. It's like saying it's 100% Japanese. In the past? Except for salves, prisoners and Ainu in Hokkaido, we can say it was 100% Japanese with a very high confidence. For a foreigner Ainu and Japanese would also look the same. If you were born in 1919 your World would have been the people around you, Internet did not exist, television did not exist, books were hard to find, traveling was expensive etc etc.
- lovich 4y ago
  You know they didn’t consider Jews white right? You can’t say it’s 100% one group but also the main person we’re talking about isn’t white. Also reiterating the question, where did diversity in the show bend objective facts?
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > You can’t say it’s 100% one group but also the main person we’re talking about isn’t white The person we are talking about was born in a country that considered people not white because they weren't white enough (would you say, for example, that Asimov is not Caucasian?), like Americans did to Italians, it happened to my grand-grand-father too. If that's not 100% white country mentality I don't know which one qualifies... > Also reiterating the question, where did diversity in the show bend objective facts? Is it a fact that in a distant future the human space colonies will be racially diverse in the way it is depicted in the show? Or is it a decision from the authors? I mean, if it was an historical documentary on South Americas in the 14th century we could talk about facts (and even there... we should present different theories on controversial topics, not just embrace one), but in a work of fiction every single detail count as "bending facts".