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The situation in Lake Mead is horrific. I’ve been watching a YouTuber that has been filming various locations around the basin for the past couple months. It’s

by pram 4y ago

The situation in Lake Mead is horrific. I’ve been watching a YouTuber that has been filming various locations around the basin for the past couple months. It’s one thing to hear “the lake is doomed” and another to see it disappearing as the days go by: https://youtu.be/NCBG_aVkv4s https://youtu.be/NCBG_aVkv4s

narrator 4y ago
Oddly, California officials are trying to decide right now whether to save Lake Mead or the Salton Sea. One is a stinky polluted accidental lake and the other is the primary water source for Las Vegas. What the heck? "He said the district will again seek binding guarantees from the federal and state government to help with the fast-drying Salton Sea before agreeing to reductions to preserve Lake Mead." https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sophies-choice-water-officials-warn-234525065.html https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sophies-choice-water-off...
- tru3_power 4y ago
  Isn’t the concern that if the salton sea dries up all the toxic waste will start blowing around everywhere?
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  I don’t think anyone wants Biblical dust storms.
- lovich 4y ago
  I think the government views the stinky polluted lake as more of a shield over the pollution that is keeping it from being flung everywhere in the next dust bowl. We learned as a result of the dust bowl that many aspects of the environment that we thought were useless were actually providing a stabilizing affect on the local environment. This is how we got infrastructure projects like the great shelterbelt[1]. Given this historical context the situation looks like the inverse to me. Like how the hell can the government prioritize keeping an artificial oasis supplied with enough water for a city in the middle of the desert vs prioritizing keeping a man made disaster caused by our ancestors from affecting large swathes of the country? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Shelterbelt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Shelterbelt
- danans 4y ago
  > Oddly, California officials are trying to decide right now whether to save Lake Mead or the Salton Sea. Not California officials. It's the Imperial Irrigation District, which is the water utility for largely agricultural Imperial County, which is inland from San Diego. They grow a huge amount of produce there, so the water rights are primarily for farming, not for restoring the lake, which is fed by farming runoff. So a better comparison is farming in the Imperial Valley vs Las Vegas.
- vwoolf 4y ago
  Also California: "No" to desalination plants: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/us/california-water-desalinization-vote-drought-climate/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/us/california-water-desaliniz...
  - zik 4y ago
    Well that just seems crazy if your state's turning into a desert. What are the arguments against it?
    - carlivar 4y ago
      Well it's in the article: incredible energy consumption, its impacts on marine life, projected sea-level rise and the cost of the resulting water itself -- with that cost being passed on to customers.
      - csdreamer7 4y ago
        I read another article that phased the commission's argument that water recycling would be cheaper to rate payers and less environmentally destructive.
distances 4y ago
Off topic, but is it common to just bring your boat with you for recreational purposes? The whole idea seems pretty wild to me. Where are the boats for the rest of the time, just in people's backyards? Or do they have a permanent pier spot in some other, more stable body of water like you'd usually expect with boats?
- j-bos 4y ago
  In the US lots of people have boats they keep in garages, backyards, parking lots, sometimes boat yards.
RobertoG 4y ago
Thanks for the link. That video is crazy to me. All that people waiting for hours in huge pickups, with the motor on, in order to put their huge boats in the water, while complaining how the water just go down and down every year. There is a metaphor there somewhere. I get some Rapa Nui vibes.

by pram 4y ago

narrator 4y ago

Oddly, California officials are trying to decide right now whether to save Lake Mead or the Salton Sea. One is a stinky polluted accidental lake and the other is the primary water source for Las Vegas. What the heck? "He said the district will again seek binding guarantees from the federal and state government to help with the fast-drying Salton Sea before agreeing to reductions to preserve Lake Mead." https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sophies-choice-water-officials-warn-234525065.html https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sophies-choice-water-off...

tru3_power 4y ago
Isn’t the concern that if the salton sea dries up all the toxic waste will start blowing around everywhere?
selimthegrim 4y ago
I don’t think anyone wants Biblical dust storms.
lovich 4y ago
I think the government views the stinky polluted lake as more of a shield over the pollution that is keeping it from being flung everywhere in the next dust bowl. We learned as a result of the dust bowl that many aspects of the environment that we thought were useless were actually providing a stabilizing affect on the local environment. This is how we got infrastructure projects like the great shelterbelt[1]. Given this historical context the situation looks like the inverse to me. Like how the hell can the government prioritize keeping an artificial oasis supplied with enough water for a city in the middle of the desert vs prioritizing keeping a man made disaster caused by our ancestors from affecting large swathes of the country? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Shelterbelt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plains_Shelterbelt
danans 4y ago
> Oddly, California officials are trying to decide right now whether to save Lake Mead or the Salton Sea. Not California officials. It's the Imperial Irrigation District, which is the water utility for largely agricultural Imperial County, which is inland from San Diego. They grow a huge amount of produce there, so the water rights are primarily for farming, not for restoring the lake, which is fed by farming runoff. So a better comparison is farming in the Imperial Valley vs Las Vegas.
vwoolf 4y ago
Also California: "No" to desalination plants: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/us/california-water-desalinization-vote-drought-climate/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/us/california-water-desaliniz...
- zik 4y ago
  Well that just seems crazy if your state's turning into a desert. What are the arguments against it?
  - carlivar 4y ago
    Well it's in the article: incredible energy consumption, its impacts on marine life, projected sea-level rise and the cost of the resulting water itself -- with that cost being passed on to customers.
    - csdreamer7 4y ago
      I read another article that phased the commission's argument that water recycling would be cheaper to rate payers and less environmentally destructive.

distances 4y ago

Off topic, but is it common to just bring your boat with you for recreational purposes? The whole idea seems pretty wild to me. Where are the boats for the rest of the time, just in people's backyards? Or do they have a permanent pier spot in some other, more stable body of water like you'd usually expect with boats?

j-bos 4y ago
In the US lots of people have boats they keep in garages, backyards, parking lots, sometimes boat yards.

RobertoG 4y ago

Thanks for the link. That video is crazy to me. All that people waiting for hours in huge pickups, with the motor on, in order to put their huge boats in the water, while complaining how the water just go down and down every year. There is a metaphor there somewhere. I get some Rapa Nui vibes.