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Very small amounts of precision weapons are arriving. More specifically, not enough. The article is correct. Numbers matter.

by ncmncm 4y ago

topspin 4y ago
These are advanced weapons. They can't be integrated over night and everyone involved knows that. Meanwhile, the US Secretary Of Defense has already stated that these HIMARS are an "initial tranche." More will come with time.
- topspin 4y ago
  The Biden admin made this official today. More HIMARS coming in July. And Ukraine is about a week early; combat footage of a HIMARS battery firing on Russians emerged from Ukraine today.
spywaregorilla 4y ago
Numbers do matter, but don't read too much into Ukraine's pleas for hundreds of them. It's just hyperbole to justify getting dozens.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Let me guess, you are not being shot at with thousands of artillery pieces, and with ballistic precision-guided rockets.
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    I've donated 8k to Ukraine personally and am deeply supportive. I'm all for sending them pretty much whatever they want. I'm supportive of deploying US troops, back in time, to the beginning of the conflict. And yet, I still think the current HIMAR supplies are a significant contribution. I think Russia will have a very difficult time doing much more. I'm vaguely confident that Lysychansk will be the last significant area where they see any offensive progress, and am not certain they will succeed there either. Not entirely due to the HIMARs of course, but I remain optimistic. Especially if Russia continues to refuse a general mobilization.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      They need large numbers specifically because Russia is using large numbers. Each round typically destroys only one piece of enemy materiel. Used, it is gone. Even ideally, it usually takes several shells to destroy a tank or artillery piece, or missiles to sink a ship. If they have more of those than you have rounds, they win even if rounds are, in principle, much cheaper. That is their logic of sending in T72 tanks. Yes, they are easy to take out with the cheapest shoulder-launched missile, if shot from in-range, but until that happens each is a grave threat to life and limb. They are sending in whole trainloads.

Very small amounts of precision weapons are arriving. More specifically, not enough. The article is correct. Numbers matter.

by ncmncm 4y ago

Very small amounts of precision weapons are arriving. More specifically, not enough. The article is correct. Numbers matter.

topspin 4y ago

These are advanced weapons. They can't be integrated over night and everyone involved knows that. Meanwhile, the US Secretary Of Defense has already stated that these HIMARS are an "initial tranche." More will come with time.

topspin 4y ago
The Biden admin made this official today. More HIMARS coming in July. And Ukraine is about a week early; combat footage of a HIMARS battery firing on Russians emerged from Ukraine today.

spywaregorilla 4y ago

Numbers do matter, but don't read too much into Ukraine's pleas for hundreds of them. It's just hyperbole to justify getting dozens.

ncmncm 4y ago
Let me guess, you are not being shot at with thousands of artillery pieces, and with ballistic precision-guided rockets.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  I've donated 8k to Ukraine personally and am deeply supportive. I'm all for sending them pretty much whatever they want. I'm supportive of deploying US troops, back in time, to the beginning of the conflict. And yet, I still think the current HIMAR supplies are a significant contribution. I think Russia will have a very difficult time doing much more. I'm vaguely confident that Lysychansk will be the last significant area where they see any offensive progress, and am not certain they will succeed there either. Not entirely due to the HIMARs of course, but I remain optimistic. Especially if Russia continues to refuse a general mobilization.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    They need large numbers specifically because Russia is using large numbers. Each round typically destroys only one piece of enemy materiel. Used, it is gone. Even ideally, it usually takes several shells to destroy a tank or artillery piece, or missiles to sink a ship. If they have more of those than you have rounds, they win even if rounds are, in principle, much cheaper. That is their logic of sending in T72 tanks. Yes, they are easy to take out with the cheapest shoulder-launched missile, if shot from in-range, but until that happens each is a grave threat to life and limb. They are sending in whole trainloads.