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well, if you look at GDP, russias industry is about the same size as the one of Germany. Germany has a lot less workers (and gas ;)) for that amount of $ and th

by fock 4y ago

well, if you look at GDP, russias industry is about the same size as the one of Germany. Germany has a lot less workers (and gas ;)) for that amount of $ and they produce millions of cars. I guess Russia (which I don't know for any consumable industrial output) might be able to produce quite a few tanks (also look at numbers e.g. for BMP-3, which were all produced after 1990).

gumby 4y ago
> well, if you look at GDP, russias industry is about the same size as the one of Germany. On a nominal basis Russia's economy is less than half Germany's and not much larger than Australia's. On PPP basis it's closer to Germany, but the industries of all three countries depend on foreign imports (Russia's especially) so PPP is less useful when considering industrial production.
nemo 4y ago
Germany's GDP: 3.8 trillion USD Russia's GDP: 1.4 trillion USD they're not that close in size...
spywaregorilla 4y ago
Russian manufacturers rely on foreign imports to make both tanks and cars https://www.reuters.com/business/us-official-says-export-curbs-russia-hit-car-production-tank-building-2022-03-30/ https://www.reuters.com/business/us-official-says-export-cur... Which seems to be supported by russian car sales falling off a cliff, though not anything 1:1 as those cars would have included imported cars too https://www.intellinews.com/russia-s-car-sales-drop-84-in-post-invasion-may-2022-246606/ https://www.intellinews.com/russia-s-car-sales-drop-84-in-po... Things like artillery shells are probably fine for them to continue to produce in large quantities unfortunately. It's hard to estimate how many working vehicles russia has because a lot of them are poorly maintained, or missing parts or whatever. A lot of early analysis suggested many russian tanks were either lacking a gunner or the main gun just didn't work. Wikipedia suggests russia should have comissioned 700 BMP-3 units for itself. Open source intel has confirmed losses of 109 of them. I would tend to tack on about 30%. How many of the remaining 560 are out there? A good question. A more useful answer might be what do we actually see russia using in the field to get a better clue.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Ukraine could probably do better destroying fuel trucks than tanks. It is easier and cheaper, and a tank with no fuel becomes war materiel for Ukraine. Ukraine probably understands this, but shots of tanks blowing up is good for morale.
  - Andaith 4y ago
    I remember seeing that happen A LOT, during the inital push for Kyiv. The Ukrainians would only destroy the first few vehicles in a convoy to block the road at strategic points, then target fuel trucks. The Russians had to keep everything running to keep warm because of the time of year, but weren't advancing, and eventually abandoned a lot of vehicles and equipment. I'm pretty sure Ukraine still has more tanks than they started the war with as a result of these tactics.

by fock 4y ago

gumby 4y ago

> well, if you look at GDP, russias industry is about the same size as the one of Germany. On a nominal basis Russia's economy is less than half Germany's and not much larger than Australia's. On PPP basis it's closer to Germany, but the industries of all three countries depend on foreign imports (Russia's especially) so PPP is less useful when considering industrial production.

nemo 4y ago

Germany's GDP: 3.8 trillion USD Russia's GDP: 1.4 trillion USD they're not that close in size...

spywaregorilla 4y ago

Russian manufacturers rely on foreign imports to make both tanks and cars https://www.reuters.com/business/us-official-says-export-curbs-russia-hit-car-production-tank-building-2022-03-30/ https://www.reuters.com/business/us-official-says-export-cur... Which seems to be supported by russian car sales falling off a cliff, though not anything 1:1 as those cars would have included imported cars too https://www.intellinews.com/russia-s-car-sales-drop-84-in-post-invasion-may-2022-246606/ https://www.intellinews.com/russia-s-car-sales-drop-84-in-po... Things like artillery shells are probably fine for them to continue to produce in large quantities unfortunately. It's hard to estimate how many working vehicles russia has because a lot of them are poorly maintained, or missing parts or whatever. A lot of early analysis suggested many russian tanks were either lacking a gunner or the main gun just didn't work. Wikipedia suggests russia should have comissioned 700 BMP-3 units for itself. Open source intel has confirmed losses of 109 of them. I would tend to tack on about 30%. How many of the remaining 560 are out there? A good question. A more useful answer might be what do we actually see russia using in the field to get a better clue.

ncmncm 4y ago
Ukraine could probably do better destroying fuel trucks than tanks. It is easier and cheaper, and a tank with no fuel becomes war materiel for Ukraine. Ukraine probably understands this, but shots of tanks blowing up is good for morale.
- Andaith 4y ago
  I remember seeing that happen A LOT, during the inital push for Kyiv. The Ukrainians would only destroy the first few vehicles in a convoy to block the road at strategic points, then target fuel trucks. The Russians had to keep everything running to keep warm because of the time of year, but weren't advancing, and eventually abandoned a lot of vehicles and equipment. I'm pretty sure Ukraine still has more tanks than they started the war with as a result of these tactics.