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John Deere, Apple, Sony... all of them. To a larger point with miniaturization, however, surely there is a point where third party repair might be very difficul

John Deere, Apple, Sony... all of them. To a larger point with miniaturization, however, surely there is a point where third party repair might be very difficult, if not impossible.

0des 4y ago
Modern Lexus cars appear to be going this way too. It's nothing but a bunch of shenanigans and plastic under the hood now.
- asdff 4y ago
  It's affected pretty much all cars for the last 15 years or so. I really think a 2000s era car was peak car. You had safety via ABS and airbags, efficiency via decent mpg in most cars by that era especially anything imported, but you still had sense with mechanical throttles, simple bulletproof manual transmissions, and steering by mechanical linkage. Anything that isn't a VW/Audi you could reasonably do all the work yourself in your garage. Very nonintimidating and accessible engine bays in 2000s/1990s hondas I've found. You could do the VW/Audi too if you had tons of time and an engine lift. If you have a decent car from that era like that, hang on tight to it and take care of it, and watch the value just soar over the years, because they will never make them like that again.
joshspankit 4y ago
Only at the point at which they themselves cannot repair it. If one human can repair it, so can other humans. They can argue “safety” all day but there is nothing magical about certification.
- threeseed 4y ago
  > If one human can repair it, so can other humans Not all humans are created equal. Repairing a mechanical watch for example requires fine motor skills, decent eyesight, impeccable patience etc. And modern day electronics are fast approaching that level of complexity.
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    There is nothing about the use of microchips that forces you to make the way in paper thin glass glued to the case. We invented PCBs for a reason.
  - joshspankit 4y ago
    > Repairing a mechanical watch for example requires fine motor skills, decent eyesight, impeccable patience etc. No. What I said was that certifying someone does not give them magical abilities. Two people who have equal motor skills, eyesight, and patience (etc) have equal ability to repair. The one without official training just has to learn through experience.
Avenger42 4y ago
Apple recently* announced their self-service repair: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/04/apples-self-service-repair-now-available/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/04/apples-self-service-r... Possibly this was just to head off this kind of enforcement aimed their way.
- threeseed 4y ago
  I think it's more to do with the overall company strategy. As phones have matured as a product people have stopped buying them at the same pace as in early years. And so to counteract this Apple has gone heavily into services, accessories etc. So just as Apple has increased OS support periods for phones they are much happier now for people to fix their phone and stay in the ecosystem than switch to Android.

John Deere, Apple, Sony... all of them. To a larger point with miniaturization, however, surely there is a point where third party repair might be very difficult, if not impossible.

0des 4y ago

Modern Lexus cars appear to be going this way too. It's nothing but a bunch of shenanigans and plastic under the hood now.

asdff 4y ago
It's affected pretty much all cars for the last 15 years or so. I really think a 2000s era car was peak car. You had safety via ABS and airbags, efficiency via decent mpg in most cars by that era especially anything imported, but you still had sense with mechanical throttles, simple bulletproof manual transmissions, and steering by mechanical linkage. Anything that isn't a VW/Audi you could reasonably do all the work yourself in your garage. Very nonintimidating and accessible engine bays in 2000s/1990s hondas I've found. You could do the VW/Audi too if you had tons of time and an engine lift. If you have a decent car from that era like that, hang on tight to it and take care of it, and watch the value just soar over the years, because they will never make them like that again.

joshspankit 4y ago

Only at the point at which they themselves cannot repair it. If one human can repair it, so can other humans. They can argue “safety” all day but there is nothing magical about certification.

threeseed 4y ago
> If one human can repair it, so can other humans Not all humans are created equal. Repairing a mechanical watch for example requires fine motor skills, decent eyesight, impeccable patience etc. And modern day electronics are fast approaching that level of complexity.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  There is nothing about the use of microchips that forces you to make the way in paper thin glass glued to the case. We invented PCBs for a reason.
- joshspankit 4y ago
  > Repairing a mechanical watch for example requires fine motor skills, decent eyesight, impeccable patience etc. No. What I said was that certifying someone does not give them magical abilities. Two people who have equal motor skills, eyesight, and patience (etc) have equal ability to repair. The one without official training just has to learn through experience.

Avenger42 4y ago

Apple recently* announced their self-service repair: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/04/apples-self-service-repair-now-available/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/04/apples-self-service-r... Possibly this was just to head off this kind of enforcement aimed their way.

threeseed 4y ago
I think it's more to do with the overall company strategy. As phones have matured as a product people have stopped buying them at the same pace as in early years. And so to counteract this Apple has gone heavily into services, accessories etc. So just as Apple has increased OS support periods for phones they are much happier now for people to fix their phone and stay in the ecosystem than switch to Android.