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I'll take the norms of the grossly overstated "Wild West" over "the norms of the last 70+ years," the choice is not even close with massive increase in criminal
by Throwawayaerlei 4y ago
I'll take the norms of the grossly overstated "Wild West" over "the norms of the last 70+ years," the choice is not even close with massive increase in criminal violence in roughly those last 70 years and most recently in the last couple of years.
Public safety has demonstrably has collapsed in both NYC and San Francisco, two cities I cite because we know their very small numbers of concealed carry permits (60,000 ownership ones, not all allowing concealed carry, and 1-3 any given year). And Hacker News features more than a few items about the latter.
- jleyank 4y agoNYC claims reduction since 2000: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2021.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_... The us is what it is and the introduction of more weapons into society won’t make it better.
- Throwawayaerlei 4y agoNot interested in something that picks a likely convenient starting point, but the waxing and waning of murders does not support your claim of what it says. "the introduction of more weapons into society won’t make it better." And you know this how? We are after all taking about a state where there's been severe suppression of urban civilian handgun ownership, let along carrying, for over a century.
- yucky 4y agoPeople who point to the reduction in violence in NYC never want to give credit to "Stop & Frisk" policies that caused it. And I say that as someone firmly against Stop & Frisk due to it being unconstitutional (IMHO).