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> imagine for a second if Javelin and Stinger missiles did have a civilian component. You mean if rocket clubs were free to pursue their interests to a much fu

> imagine for a second if Javelin and Stinger missiles did have a civilian component. You mean if rocket clubs were free to pursue their interests to a much further extent than the toys they're restricted to now? Rockets don't always have to be weapons.

BiteCode_dev 4y ago
Not to mention fireworks show it can be a perfectly safe endeavor with the proper legal framework. Even kids can use them. No, I'm way more worried about the fact a terrorist could come at my door with a tank at any moment and I have no way to defend myself. And what if it's not a terrorist ? What if I have to defend myself against the state itself ? At least we should be able to equip the schools to protect our children, if not directly our homes.
- ricardobeat 4y ago
  I have another idea. What if we all pooled together to buy some defense equipment, created some kind of club for training people, elected a bunch to run it; and then enjoyed the protection from this shared service without having to own heavy weapons ourselves?
  - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
    We could even call it "arm club" in reference to fight club, to make it popular. And eventually give it a cute nick name ending with -y like arm cluby. Or army.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  You are at much greater immediate threat from your well-armed neighbors. And they from you. Lately, the greatest ongoing threat from tyranny, by the numbers, is that visited upon black people by over-armed, trigger-happy, and unindictable police. In what way does your owning guns help, there? Better to disarm the police. But then police have no protection from people (superficially) like you.
  - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
    You didn't get the /s of the thread apparently. I'm French. The US gun politics are bonkers to me. Seriously, what sane person would be worried that a lone terrorist would manage to bring a tank to a suburb and need a civilian Javelin to fight that ? If a tank is at your door, it's not terrorism, it's war. The fact it seemed credible enough for you to answer seriously to it makes me think the USA situation is even worse than I thought.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      It is. Your joke is professed reality for probably a good third of Americans.
    - musingsole 4y ago
      > Seriously, what sane person would be worried that a lone terrorist would manage to bring a tank to a suburb and need a civilian Javelin to fight that ? If a tank is at your door, it's not terrorism, it's war. I'll just leave this here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Nelson_(criminal)#Tank_rampage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Nelson_(criminal)#Tank... (It wasn't even the tank rampage I was looking for...)
      - ncmncm 4y ago
        Police departments issued armored personnel carriers are more worrisome, just by number.
Arubis 4y ago
Maybe those rocket clubs would benefit (in the narrow, ignoring undesired side effects sense) by classifying their toys as munitions and seeking support from the NRA. I know there's folks that've wondered the same about protecting encryption via that path rather than by trying to classify it as protected speech. I can't say I love the priorities and values our current systems in the states represent.

BiteCode_dev 4y ago

Not to mention fireworks show it can be a perfectly safe endeavor with the proper legal framework. Even kids can use them. No, I'm way more worried about the fact a terrorist could come at my door with a tank at any moment and I have no way to defend myself. And what if it's not a terrorist ? What if I have to defend myself against the state itself ? At least we should be able to equip the schools to protect our children, if not directly our homes.

ricardobeat 4y ago
I have another idea. What if we all pooled together to buy some defense equipment, created some kind of club for training people, elected a bunch to run it; and then enjoyed the protection from this shared service without having to own heavy weapons ourselves?
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  We could even call it "arm club" in reference to fight club, to make it popular. And eventually give it a cute nick name ending with -y like arm cluby. Or army.
ncmncm 4y ago
You are at much greater immediate threat from your well-armed neighbors. And they from you. Lately, the greatest ongoing threat from tyranny, by the numbers, is that visited upon black people by over-armed, trigger-happy, and unindictable police. In what way does your owning guns help, there? Better to disarm the police. But then police have no protection from people (superficially) like you.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  You didn't get the /s of the thread apparently. I'm French. The US gun politics are bonkers to me. Seriously, what sane person would be worried that a lone terrorist would manage to bring a tank to a suburb and need a civilian Javelin to fight that ? If a tank is at your door, it's not terrorism, it's war. The fact it seemed credible enough for you to answer seriously to it makes me think the USA situation is even worse than I thought.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    It is. Your joke is professed reality for probably a good third of Americans.
  - musingsole 4y ago
    > Seriously, what sane person would be worried that a lone terrorist would manage to bring a tank to a suburb and need a civilian Javelin to fight that ? If a tank is at your door, it's not terrorism, it's war. I'll just leave this here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Nelson_(criminal)#Tank_rampage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Nelson_(criminal)#Tank... (It wasn't even the tank rampage I was looking for...)
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      Police departments issued armored personnel carriers are more worrisome, just by number.

Arubis 4y ago

Maybe those rocket clubs would benefit (in the narrow, ignoring undesired side effects sense) by classifying their toys as munitions and seeking support from the NRA. I know there's folks that've wondered the same about protecting encryption via that path rather than by trying to classify it as protected speech. I can't say I love the priorities and values our current systems in the states represent.