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The Russian army is not sponsored by Yandex. The money comes from selling natural resources... and mostly to Europe, surprise. It's about $1 billion per day. Ta

by xpl 4y ago

The Russian army is not sponsored by Yandex. The money comes from selling natural resources... and mostly to Europe, surprise. It's about $1 billion per day. Tax money from private companies is nothing compared to that. So Europe is sponsoring the war way more than Yandex. Let's then shut down the Europe, right? You can say — look, they're trying hard to get rid of Russian resources. But Yandex is also trying hard to become less dependent on Russian economy — they try to internationalize their business. And all that "canceling" of Yandex really doesn't help (it does the opposite in fact).

The_Colonel 4y ago
> The Russian army is not sponsored by Yandex. It is. > So Europe is sponsoring the war way more than Yandex. That's unfortunately true. The dependency is real, and it will take a long time to get rid of it. > And all that "canceling" of Yandex really doesn't help (it does the opposite in fact). Cancelling Yandex completely, as in forcing it to collapse, would help a lot. Yandex services (together with VK) are extremely important in the Russian society and economy, and their collapse would weaken Russia and its ability to wage (military/economic) war a lot. As such, this would be the best course of action (as mentioned before, burn the equipment, delete the code).
- xpl 4y ago
  > Cancelling Yandex completely, as in forcing it to collapse, would help a lot. It's just a wishful thinking. It wont "collapse", it would just become controlled by government, and then it truly becomes the instrument of the evil, so that not only News, but every service Yandex provides will serve the government needs. They will recruit soldiers through Yandex services, they make Yandex develop AI-controlled tanks and whatnot. Every thing that Yandex doesn't do now (because they do not actually support the war) — they will make it to do. > their collapse would weaken Russia and its ability to wage (military/economic) war a lot Of course not, because the Russian army and the military industrial complex is in no way dependent on the search engine and the food delivery service Yandex provides. You can destroy those, sure. People lifes get slightly worse, and then competitors catch up (there is a lot of competition to Yandex in Russia and they are not going to fade away).
  - The_Colonel 4y ago
    > It's just a wishful thinking. It wont "collapse", it would just become controlled by government That's why part of my suggestion is to burn the equipment/infrastructure and delete the code. > They will recruit soldiers through Yandex services, they make Yandex develop AI-controlled tanks and whatnot And the only thing stopping them now from doing that is that Yandex is not nationalized. Yeah, sure. > Of course not, because the Russian army and the military industrial complex is in no way dependent on the search engine and the food delivery service Yandex provides. Yandex provides many services, it's much like google - maps, translation, drive, mail etc. etc. Bringing it down would cripple many private and economic activities. Russia can't sustain waging wars if they don't have an economy and disgruntled population. With the exception of VK, there isn't really any step-in competition to Yandex. Even if there was, losing all your data in e.g. mail/drive will have significant consequences.
    - xpl 4y ago
      > Russia can't sustain waging wars if they don't have an economy and disgruntled population. Russia can wage wars on natural resource selling alone, it only needs to keep the gas and oil flowing through the infrastructure. All those private companies' activities the government sees mostly as a distraction, it doesn't give a damn about them (until they get in the way). They don't matter much. It's very much unlike the Western economies where the private companies drive the economy. Russia is more like a giant oil and gas pipe with military industrial complex around that. > exception of VK, there isn't really any step-in competition to Yandex If we talk about city services (taxi, delivery, online shopping) there are lots of other players. Search/mail/social — then yeah, apart from VK not many. And VK is in fact state-owned. Yandex is not. So if Yandex leaves the scene, the only game in town would be state-owned. This only reinforces the evil regime. > That's why part of my suggestion is to burn the equipment/infrastructure and delete the code. It's pretty unrealistic. You can do it in small company, easy. In a huge decentralized company I don't know how one could even pull that off. There simply isn't a way to "delete all the code", nor a single place you could burn all the servers. It just doesn't have a kill switch. And the moment you try that, the government swoops in and goodbye the company. > And the only thing stopping them now from doing that is that Yandex is not nationalized. Yeah, sure. If Yandex gets nationalized, the government will replace the management and the uncooperative employees. Most of them would just leave the day it happens. It won't be Yandex anymore of course. That is essentially the same as killing the company, but worse, as the remnants could still be used for evil.

by xpl 4y ago

The_Colonel 4y ago

> The Russian army is not sponsored by Yandex. It is. > So Europe is sponsoring the war way more than Yandex. That's unfortunately true. The dependency is real, and it will take a long time to get rid of it. > And all that "canceling" of Yandex really doesn't help (it does the opposite in fact). Cancelling Yandex completely, as in forcing it to collapse, would help a lot. Yandex services (together with VK) are extremely important in the Russian society and economy, and their collapse would weaken Russia and its ability to wage (military/economic) war a lot. As such, this would be the best course of action (as mentioned before, burn the equipment, delete the code).

xpl 4y ago
> Cancelling Yandex completely, as in forcing it to collapse, would help a lot. It's just a wishful thinking. It wont "collapse", it would just become controlled by government, and then it truly becomes the instrument of the evil, so that not only News, but every service Yandex provides will serve the government needs. They will recruit soldiers through Yandex services, they make Yandex develop AI-controlled tanks and whatnot. Every thing that Yandex doesn't do now (because they do not actually support the war) — they will make it to do. > their collapse would weaken Russia and its ability to wage (military/economic) war a lot Of course not, because the Russian army and the military industrial complex is in no way dependent on the search engine and the food delivery service Yandex provides. You can destroy those, sure. People lifes get slightly worse, and then competitors catch up (there is a lot of competition to Yandex in Russia and they are not going to fade away).
- The_Colonel 4y ago
  > It's just a wishful thinking. It wont "collapse", it would just become controlled by government That's why part of my suggestion is to burn the equipment/infrastructure and delete the code. > They will recruit soldiers through Yandex services, they make Yandex develop AI-controlled tanks and whatnot And the only thing stopping them now from doing that is that Yandex is not nationalized. Yeah, sure. > Of course not, because the Russian army and the military industrial complex is in no way dependent on the search engine and the food delivery service Yandex provides. Yandex provides many services, it's much like google - maps, translation, drive, mail etc. etc. Bringing it down would cripple many private and economic activities. Russia can't sustain waging wars if they don't have an economy and disgruntled population. With the exception of VK, there isn't really any step-in competition to Yandex. Even if there was, losing all your data in e.g. mail/drive will have significant consequences.
  - xpl 4y ago
    > Russia can't sustain waging wars if they don't have an economy and disgruntled population. Russia can wage wars on natural resource selling alone, it only needs to keep the gas and oil flowing through the infrastructure. All those private companies' activities the government sees mostly as a distraction, it doesn't give a damn about them (until they get in the way). They don't matter much. It's very much unlike the Western economies where the private companies drive the economy. Russia is more like a giant oil and gas pipe with military industrial complex around that. > exception of VK, there isn't really any step-in competition to Yandex If we talk about city services (taxi, delivery, online shopping) there are lots of other players. Search/mail/social — then yeah, apart from VK not many. And VK is in fact state-owned. Yandex is not. So if Yandex leaves the scene, the only game in town would be state-owned. This only reinforces the evil regime. > That's why part of my suggestion is to burn the equipment/infrastructure and delete the code. It's pretty unrealistic. You can do it in small company, easy. In a huge decentralized company I don't know how one could even pull that off. There simply isn't a way to "delete all the code", nor a single place you could burn all the servers. It just doesn't have a kill switch. And the moment you try that, the government swoops in and goodbye the company. > And the only thing stopping them now from doing that is that Yandex is not nationalized. Yeah, sure. If Yandex gets nationalized, the government will replace the management and the uncooperative employees. Most of them would just leave the day it happens. It won't be Yandex anymore of course. That is essentially the same as killing the company, but worse, as the remnants could still be used for evil.