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I don’t think anyone likes to be force fed content that instantly breaks immersion because it doesn’t mirror reality at all.

marssaxman 4y ago
If that's your perception of reality, perhaps it's good that you're being pushed out of your comfort zone.
- bergenty 4y ago
  I don’t think it’s a matter of perspective, it’s the bending of objective facts.
  - lovich 4y ago
    What “woke” content is bending objective facts? The only one I can think of in the past few years was The Wheel of Time keeping the family trait and bloodlines plot line(including one character recognizing another characters heritage based solely on their looks) while not keeping that casting consistent. The other end is shows like Foundation which might look like a woke cast at first but if you pay close attention you’ll realize that the galaxy spanning Empire has the diverse population due to being diverse while all the smaller planetary kingdoms are ethnically homogenous in casting which I thought was a clever attention to detail while satisfying politics. Netflix is pretty smack in the middle in that they produce content for the woke crowd, but that’s just by focusing on including diverse characters. They tend to not get into complicated plots that are defeated by casting. Unless my take on that is wrong I can’t see how minorities’ or womens’ existence can be bending any objective facts
    - arthurcolle 4y ago
      Wheel of Time is on Amazon Prime Video not Netflix
      - lovich 4y ago
        And The Foundation is on Apple TV, I was using the examples to compare Netflix’s offerings compared to what I saw of as the most glaring example of wokeness “bending objective facts” and the best example of including diversity without weakening the story and in fact strengthening it. Netflix’s offerings in comparison are middle of the road and kinda just have the people exist as either main characters are the quirky friend(tall girl for example) but nothing that bent objective facts
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      > The other end is shows like Foundation which might look like a woke cast at first but if you pay close attention you’ll realize that the galaxy spanning Empire has the diverse population due to being diverse while all the smaller planetary kingdoms are ethnically homogenous Well, considering that in the Foundation books there are only humans, their ethnicity it's not an important trait (we can assume they are all white or all black for that matter), while their social class is often outlined and the only real difference is their gender, making it a mixed race show it's a sign of the times. I have no problem with it or the gender swaps. But they had to make it that way because for starters it is certainly more accurate to say that 500 quadrillion people living in countless planets won't look the same, there are 40 billion people on Trantor alone, but it would also been unacceptable for the audience of today to blindly accept the fact that when Asimov wrote the Foundation series he wasn't interested in the skin color of the characters, he was writing of a greater story spanning over a very long period, not about social conflicts over individual identities, which, if you think about it, are a mundane topic in that settlement. But in the end its real fault is being IMO a bad representation of the original material, that totally misses the point.
      - lovich 4y ago
        I happened to really enjoy the section that followed Empire which I understand was off page in the books, and every scene with Hari Seldon. The section following the rest of the foundation was pretty boring to me once they got to their planet. Anyways this sentence I think is at the heart of the question I was asking. > Well, considering that in the Foundation books there are only humans, their ethnicity it's not an important trait (we can assume they are all white or all black for that matter), while their social class is often outlined and the only real difference is their gender, making it a mixed race show it's a sign of the times. Did mixed races no exist at the time of the stories writing? Did the robot characters who looked human but were from a completely different world view connecting not exist? I don’t think additional diversity is as big a sign of the times as the source suggests. Anyways the phrase that sparked my question was “bending objective facts”. A cultural change in what his good or even acceptable story telling is a subjective opinion and not something that can be stretched as far as “objective fact”
  - pstuart 4y ago
    Looking forward to the new season of Umbrella Academy and it looks like there's going to be a trans element to it, which, drum roll please, actually mirrors reality (as the actor transitioned). Versus all of the absolute non reality zero object facts of the story itself. The "reality" of media of yesteryear was the domain of white men. So yes, reality is changing. There's plenty of rage being generated about this, so I have to imagine your media intake might be influencing you in this regard.
JaimeThompson 4y ago
Strange Things is like their most popular show.

marssaxman 4y ago

If that's your perception of reality, perhaps it's good that you're being pushed out of your comfort zone.

bergenty 4y ago
I don’t think it’s a matter of perspective, it’s the bending of objective facts.
- lovich 4y ago
  What “woke” content is bending objective facts? The only one I can think of in the past few years was The Wheel of Time keeping the family trait and bloodlines plot line(including one character recognizing another characters heritage based solely on their looks) while not keeping that casting consistent. The other end is shows like Foundation which might look like a woke cast at first but if you pay close attention you’ll realize that the galaxy spanning Empire has the diverse population due to being diverse while all the smaller planetary kingdoms are ethnically homogenous in casting which I thought was a clever attention to detail while satisfying politics. Netflix is pretty smack in the middle in that they produce content for the woke crowd, but that’s just by focusing on including diverse characters. They tend to not get into complicated plots that are defeated by casting. Unless my take on that is wrong I can’t see how minorities’ or womens’ existence can be bending any objective facts
  - arthurcolle 4y ago
    Wheel of Time is on Amazon Prime Video not Netflix
    - lovich 4y ago
      And The Foundation is on Apple TV, I was using the examples to compare Netflix’s offerings compared to what I saw of as the most glaring example of wokeness “bending objective facts” and the best example of including diversity without weakening the story and in fact strengthening it. Netflix’s offerings in comparison are middle of the road and kinda just have the people exist as either main characters are the quirky friend(tall girl for example) but nothing that bent objective facts
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > The other end is shows like Foundation which might look like a woke cast at first but if you pay close attention you’ll realize that the galaxy spanning Empire has the diverse population due to being diverse while all the smaller planetary kingdoms are ethnically homogenous Well, considering that in the Foundation books there are only humans, their ethnicity it's not an important trait (we can assume they are all white or all black for that matter), while their social class is often outlined and the only real difference is their gender, making it a mixed race show it's a sign of the times. I have no problem with it or the gender swaps. But they had to make it that way because for starters it is certainly more accurate to say that 500 quadrillion people living in countless planets won't look the same, there are 40 billion people on Trantor alone, but it would also been unacceptable for the audience of today to blindly accept the fact that when Asimov wrote the Foundation series he wasn't interested in the skin color of the characters, he was writing of a greater story spanning over a very long period, not about social conflicts over individual identities, which, if you think about it, are a mundane topic in that settlement. But in the end its real fault is being IMO a bad representation of the original material, that totally misses the point.
    - lovich 4y ago
      I happened to really enjoy the section that followed Empire which I understand was off page in the books, and every scene with Hari Seldon. The section following the rest of the foundation was pretty boring to me once they got to their planet. Anyways this sentence I think is at the heart of the question I was asking. > Well, considering that in the Foundation books there are only humans, their ethnicity it's not an important trait (we can assume they are all white or all black for that matter), while their social class is often outlined and the only real difference is their gender, making it a mixed race show it's a sign of the times. Did mixed races no exist at the time of the stories writing? Did the robot characters who looked human but were from a completely different world view connecting not exist? I don’t think additional diversity is as big a sign of the times as the source suggests. Anyways the phrase that sparked my question was “bending objective facts”. A cultural change in what his good or even acceptable story telling is a subjective opinion and not something that can be stretched as far as “objective fact”
- pstuart 4y ago
  Looking forward to the new season of Umbrella Academy and it looks like there's going to be a trans element to it, which, drum roll please, actually mirrors reality (as the actor transitioned). Versus all of the absolute non reality zero object facts of the story itself. The "reality" of media of yesteryear was the domain of white men. So yes, reality is changing. There's plenty of rage being generated about this, so I have to imagine your media intake might be influencing you in this regard.

JaimeThompson 4y ago

Strange Things is like their most popular show.