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> I suppose they can't just shut it down because the government threatens to nationalize Yandex in response They can destroy equipment, safely delete all the c

> I suppose they can't just shut it down because the government threatens to nationalize Yandex in response They can destroy equipment, safely delete all the code repositories etc. beforehand, thus rendering the company useless before the nationalization. But $$$ is more important. > Can you please show any public statement from Yandex from which one could derive that? Yandex pays tens/hundreds of millions in taxes and thus finances the war.

xpl 4y ago
> Yandex pays tens/hundreds of millions in taxes and thus finances the war. So what? You shut down the business with 20k employees, on the grounds that you do not agree with local regulations or because the government did bad? That is as far from reality as it gets. > But $$$ is more important Yeah, I think preserving the company is more important than that proposed suicide move (that wouldn't have worked anyway because the company is just too huge). It's not just money, it's people, it's culture, it's all the great projects the company does.
- The_Colonel 4y ago
  > It's not just money, it's people, it's culture, it's all the great projects the company does. What about people killed by the Russian army, sponsored by Yandex? I guess those matter less than the company culture, right?
  - xpl 4y ago
    The Russian army is not sponsored by Yandex. The money comes from selling natural resources... and mostly to Europe, surprise. It's about $1 billion per day. Tax money from private companies is nothing compared to that. So Europe is sponsoring the war way more than Yandex. Let's then shut down the Europe, right? You can say — look, they're trying hard to get rid of Russian resources. But Yandex is also trying hard to become less dependent on Russian economy — they try to internationalize their business. And all that "canceling" of Yandex really doesn't help (it does the opposite in fact).
    - The_Colonel 4y ago
      > The Russian army is not sponsored by Yandex. It is. > So Europe is sponsoring the war way more than Yandex. That's unfortunately true. The dependency is real, and it will take a long time to get rid of it. > And all that "canceling" of Yandex really doesn't help (it does the opposite in fact). Cancelling Yandex completely, as in forcing it to collapse, would help a lot. Yandex services (together with VK) are extremely important in the Russian society and economy, and their collapse would weaken Russia and its ability to wage (military/economic) war a lot. As such, this would be the best course of action (as mentioned before, burn the equipment, delete the code).
      - xpl 4y ago
        > Cancelling Yandex completely, as in forcing it to collapse, would help a lot. It's just a wishful thinking. It wont "collapse", it would just become controlled by government, and then it truly becomes the instrument of the evil, so that not only News, but every service Yandex provides will serve the government needs. They will recruit soldiers through Yandex services, they make Yandex develop AI-controlled tanks and whatnot. Every thing that Yandex doesn't do now (because they do not actually support the war) — they will make it to do. > their collapse would weaken Russia and its ability to wage (military/economic) war a lot Of course not, because the Russian army and the military industrial complex is in no way dependent on the search engine and the food delivery service Yandex provides. You can destroy those, sure. People lifes get slightly worse, and then competitors catch up (there is a lot of competition to Yandex in Russia and they are not going to fade away).
        The_Colonel 4y ago
        > It's just a wishful thinking. It wont "collapse", it would just become controlled by government That's why part of my suggestion is to burn the equipment/infrastructure and delete the code. > They will recruit soldiers through Yandex services, they make Yandex develop AI-controlled tanks and whatnot And the only thing stopping them now from doing that is that Yandex is not nationalized. Yeah, sure. > Of course not, because the Russian army and the military industrial complex is in no way dependent on the search engine and the food delivery service Yandex provides. Yandex provides many services, it's much like google - maps, translation, drive, mail etc. etc. Bringing it down would cripple many private and economic activities. Russia can't sustain waging wars if they don't have an economy and disgruntled population. With the exception of VK, there isn't really any step-in competition to Yandex. Even if there was, losing all your data in e.g. mail/drive will have significant consequences.

xpl 4y ago

> Yandex pays tens/hundreds of millions in taxes and thus finances the war. So what? You shut down the business with 20k employees, on the grounds that you do not agree with local regulations or because the government did bad? That is as far from reality as it gets. > But $$$ is more important Yeah, I think preserving the company is more important than that proposed suicide move (that wouldn't have worked anyway because the company is just too huge). It's not just money, it's people, it's culture, it's all the great projects the company does.

The_Colonel 4y ago
> It's not just money, it's people, it's culture, it's all the great projects the company does. What about people killed by the Russian army, sponsored by Yandex? I guess those matter less than the company culture, right?
- xpl 4y ago
  The Russian army is not sponsored by Yandex. The money comes from selling natural resources... and mostly to Europe, surprise. It's about $1 billion per day. Tax money from private companies is nothing compared to that. So Europe is sponsoring the war way more than Yandex. Let's then shut down the Europe, right? You can say — look, they're trying hard to get rid of Russian resources. But Yandex is also trying hard to become less dependent on Russian economy — they try to internationalize their business. And all that "canceling" of Yandex really doesn't help (it does the opposite in fact).
  - The_Colonel 4y ago
    > The Russian army is not sponsored by Yandex. It is. > So Europe is sponsoring the war way more than Yandex. That's unfortunately true. The dependency is real, and it will take a long time to get rid of it. > And all that "canceling" of Yandex really doesn't help (it does the opposite in fact). Cancelling Yandex completely, as in forcing it to collapse, would help a lot. Yandex services (together with VK) are extremely important in the Russian society and economy, and their collapse would weaken Russia and its ability to wage (military/economic) war a lot. As such, this would be the best course of action (as mentioned before, burn the equipment, delete the code).
    - xpl 4y ago
      > Cancelling Yandex completely, as in forcing it to collapse, would help a lot. It's just a wishful thinking. It wont "collapse", it would just become controlled by government, and then it truly becomes the instrument of the evil, so that not only News, but every service Yandex provides will serve the government needs. They will recruit soldiers through Yandex services, they make Yandex develop AI-controlled tanks and whatnot. Every thing that Yandex doesn't do now (because they do not actually support the war) — they will make it to do. > their collapse would weaken Russia and its ability to wage (military/economic) war a lot Of course not, because the Russian army and the military industrial complex is in no way dependent on the search engine and the food delivery service Yandex provides. You can destroy those, sure. People lifes get slightly worse, and then competitors catch up (there is a lot of competition to Yandex in Russia and they are not going to fade away).
      - The_Colonel 4y ago
        > It's just a wishful thinking. It wont "collapse", it would just become controlled by government That's why part of my suggestion is to burn the equipment/infrastructure and delete the code. > They will recruit soldiers through Yandex services, they make Yandex develop AI-controlled tanks and whatnot And the only thing stopping them now from doing that is that Yandex is not nationalized. Yeah, sure. > Of course not, because the Russian army and the military industrial complex is in no way dependent on the search engine and the food delivery service Yandex provides. Yandex provides many services, it's much like google - maps, translation, drive, mail etc. etc. Bringing it down would cripple many private and economic activities. Russia can't sustain waging wars if they don't have an economy and disgruntled population. With the exception of VK, there isn't really any step-in competition to Yandex. Even if there was, losing all your data in e.g. mail/drive will have significant consequences.