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Well, I hope your viewpoint doesn't win the day, because making code as freely shareable and remixable as possible is a huge boon for humanity.

celeritascelery 4y ago
Code being freely shareable and remixable is great. Selling that open source code for profit is not.
- WisNorCan 4y ago
  Is your take that Microsoft should offer this for free? Or if they are not willing to do it for free, Microsoft should cancel this service and we should wait for Apache or someone else to offer the service? Or something else ?
  - gfrff 4y ago
    Microsoft should make this service free for open source (not just thought leaders), and compensate people otherwise. I should have a 0.01% equity in Open AI if they're using my stuff like this. Or they should do opt in.
    - throwaheyy 4y ago
      Half serious/flippant, we need MS to create a cryptocurrency so that developers can be credited with micropayments each time their code gets “quoted” in the IDE. <ducks>
- earnesti 4y ago
  What is wrong with someone making a little dough. It is just numbers in database.
  - jdbernard 4y ago
    Yeah, but those numbers translate to food on the table for my kids, a roof over their heads, better education, etc. Come on, this is a tired response. Nothing is wrong with people making money. There is a lot wrong with people making money off of the hard work of others without any consideration or remuneration.
    - NeutronStar 4y ago
jnsie 4y ago
It's just as shareable on Gitlab, no? And the issue isn't that code is not shareable - it's that a huge corporation is profiting from this code without consent from the developer.
- leereeves 4y ago
  > a huge corporation is profiting from this code without consent from the developer Also without attribution. The more permissive licenses allow corporations to profit from shared code, but most of them still require attribution. And it's really not much to ask: when someone gives you free code, give them credit for their work.
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bayindirh 4y ago
Well, I hope your viewpoint doesn't win the day, because breaching GPL left and right to make some developers life easier opens huge cans of worms.
gopiandcode 4y ago
I feel like you're missing the forest for the trees here - making code freely shareable and remixable is exactly the purpose of GPL and other free-software licenses, but you can bet that the proprietary codebases Copilot will be used in will go out of their way to prevent any such uses of _their_ particular code snippets. IMO, the only way to use Copilot's output in an ethically sound way is to only use the output it produces in AGPL licensed projects (assuming that Copilot has not been trained on any non-free software codebases which in itself is a strong assumption).
- rpd9803 4y ago
  Based on this comment, you may not understand what the GPL's purpose actually is, because it is NOT simply for the promoting sharing and remixing. The GPL is for ensuring that code, and its derivatives, are all able to be shared and remixed in perpetuity. the biggest (imo) difference between GPL and MIT/BSD licenses is that you CAN NOT use GPL'd code in a non-GPL* codebase. (*or GPL-compatible license)
- account42 4y ago
  > IMO, the only way to use Copilot's output in an ethically sound way is to only use the output it produces in AGPL licensed projects Even then, that is missing attribution which should really be the default for all code reuse and derivation even when you legally are allowed to omit it.

celeritascelery 4y ago

Code being freely shareable and remixable is great. Selling that open source code for profit is not.

WisNorCan 4y ago
Is your take that Microsoft should offer this for free? Or if they are not willing to do it for free, Microsoft should cancel this service and we should wait for Apache or someone else to offer the service? Or something else ?
- gfrff 4y ago
  Microsoft should make this service free for open source (not just thought leaders), and compensate people otherwise. I should have a 0.01% equity in Open AI if they're using my stuff like this. Or they should do opt in.
  - throwaheyy 4y ago
    Half serious/flippant, we need MS to create a cryptocurrency so that developers can be credited with micropayments each time their code gets “quoted” in the IDE. <ducks>
earnesti 4y ago
What is wrong with someone making a little dough. It is just numbers in database.
- jdbernard 4y ago
  Yeah, but those numbers translate to food on the table for my kids, a roof over their heads, better education, etc. Come on, this is a tired response. Nothing is wrong with people making money. There is a lot wrong with people making money off of the hard work of others without any consideration or remuneration.
  - NeutronStar 4y ago

jnsie 4y ago

It's just as shareable on Gitlab, no? And the issue isn't that code is not shareable - it's that a huge corporation is profiting from this code without consent from the developer.

leereeves 4y ago
> a huge corporation is profiting from this code without consent from the developer Also without attribution. The more permissive licenses allow corporations to profit from shared code, but most of them still require attribution. And it's really not much to ask: when someone gives you free code, give them credit for their work.

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bayindirh 4y ago

Well, I hope your viewpoint doesn't win the day, because breaching GPL left and right to make some developers life easier opens huge cans of worms.

gopiandcode 4y ago

I feel like you're missing the forest for the trees here - making code freely shareable and remixable is exactly the purpose of GPL and other free-software licenses, but you can bet that the proprietary codebases Copilot will be used in will go out of their way to prevent any such uses of _their_ particular code snippets. IMO, the only way to use Copilot's output in an ethically sound way is to only use the output it produces in AGPL licensed projects (assuming that Copilot has not been trained on any non-free software codebases which in itself is a strong assumption).

rpd9803 4y ago
Based on this comment, you may not understand what the GPL's purpose actually is, because it is NOT simply for the promoting sharing and remixing. The GPL is for ensuring that code, and its derivatives, are all able to be shared and remixed in perpetuity. the biggest (imo) difference between GPL and MIT/BSD licenses is that you CAN NOT use GPL'd code in a non-GPL* codebase. (*or GPL-compatible license)
account42 4y ago
> IMO, the only way to use Copilot's output in an ethically sound way is to only use the output it produces in AGPL licensed projects Even then, that is missing attribution which should really be the default for all code reuse and derivation even when you legally are allowed to omit it.