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According to cursory Google search[1], Miami has more crime per capita than Chicago does. Even if that isn't accurate, crime everywhere is down from 10 or 20 y

by smt88 4y ago

According to cursory Google search[1], Miami has more crime per capita than Chicago does. Even if that isn't accurate, crime everywhere is down from 10 or 20 years ago, so why would Citadel move to Miami now instead of moving to Chicago suburbs 20 years ago? This is likely more about Griffin's politics than about crime, and mentioning crime is itself politically motivated. 1. https://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Chicago&s1=IL&c2=miami&s2=FL https://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Chicago&s1=...

robswc 4y ago
I think the politics are a huge factor but not the only one. Crime stats are important but this move in particular is because of Citadel employees themselves becoming victims of crimes more often than before. (if they are to be believed)
- smt88 4y ago
  > Crime stats are important but this move in particular is because of Citadel employees themselves becoming victims of crimes more often than before. (if they are to be believed) We don't just have to believe them, we have to believe the messengers: Citadel and Griffin. Both are prolific liars and manipulators. But assuming Griffin, Citadel, and Citadel's employees are telling the truth, that they are victimized more than they were before (with some nebulous definition of "before"), we also need to assume that they think they'd be safer in Miami and are eager to move. You may be right that it's more than politics, but politics seems to be more than enough incentive for Griffin just by itself, and the other reasoning is not very plausible in the first place.
  - robswc 4y ago
    Sure. (sorry for late reply) I guess it's a lot of things. Really, there's a strong incentive to go to Miami for a lot of reasons, so when you stack up all the pros and cons, the politics could give Miami a slight edge.

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According to cursory Google search[1], Miami has more crime per capita than Chicago does. Even if that isn't accurate, crime everywhere is down from 10 or 20 y

by smt88 4y ago

robswc 4y ago
I think the politics are a huge factor but not the only one. Crime stats are important but this move in particular is because of Citadel employees themselves becoming victims of crimes more often than before. (if they are to be believed)
- smt88 4y ago
  > Crime stats are important but this move in particular is because of Citadel employees themselves becoming victims of crimes more often than before. (if they are to be believed) We don't just have to believe them, we have to believe the messengers: Citadel and Griffin. Both are prolific liars and manipulators. But assuming Griffin, Citadel, and Citadel's employees are telling the truth, that they are victimized more than they were before (with some nebulous definition of "before"), we also need to assume that they think they'd be safer in Miami and are eager to move. You may be right that it's more than politics, but politics seems to be more than enough incentive for Griffin just by itself, and the other reasoning is not very plausible in the first place.
  - robswc 4y ago
    Sure. (sorry for late reply) I guess it's a lot of things. Really, there's a strong incentive to go to Miami for a lot of reasons, so when you stack up all the pros and cons, the politics could give Miami a slight edge.