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This is frustrating for smokers who jumped to the vaping lesser evil. Vaping did help a lot of people wean their habit to a halt. It's clearly a much better alt

This is frustrating for smokers who jumped to the vaping lesser evil. Vaping did help a lot of people wean their habit to a halt. It's clearly a much better alternative to cigs. Imho FDA is pushing it by doing this, we all know what dirty shenanigans FDA is up to, I'm inclined to believe it's a move meant to make some competitor a lot of money under the guise of caring for people's health.

newaccount74 4y ago
I think it's the opposite: Vaping is keeping people who want to quit smoking addicted to nicotine. For most people I know the problem aren't the physical effects of addiction (those are over in a few weeks) but the peer pressure from all your friends who are still smoking. Since they banned smoking in bars and restaurants in Austria, I saw A LOT of people quit smoking. It's really not that hard when everybody looks at you in disgust when you suck on your cigarette outside a bar. If you offer vaping as a socially acceptable form of smoking, these people have a lot less incentive to give up nicotine, and will stick with it. So I think that vaping is slowing the decline of nicotine, and it absolutely should be banned. (At some point cigarettes should probably be banned as well, but it's probably too early for that)
- causi 4y ago
  Nicotine doesn't kill you. It doesn't make everything you own smell like burnt asshole. It doesn't make you cough up black goo when you lay on an inversion table or gasp for breath after a flight of stairs. Vaping is the greatest weapon ever created in the fight against smoking-related health damage.
  - newaccount74 4y ago
    You make the assumption that people who vape would smoke if they couldn't vape. If vaping was the only way to quit smoking I would agree with you. But when I look around me, I see that a lot of people have managed to quit smoking without vaping. Marketing vaping as a way to give up smoking is very disingenious, because you are just trading one addiction for another. I know that you can give up smoking without starting another addiction. I did it, my girlfriend did it, my sisters did it, my best friend from high school did it. It took a few attempts, but we all managed to kick the habit. All of us used to smoke a pack a day, and now we're free. Juul was a last ditch attempt by tobacco companies to keep everyone addicted so they keep paying their idiot tax for their daily dose of nicotine. I'm glad someone is doing something against it.
    - causi 4y ago
      You make the assumption that people who vape would smoke if they couldn't vape. No, I'm saying that enough people have switched from smoking to vaping to more than make up for the health damage caused by people who only started vaping.
      - newaccount74 4y ago
        Yes, but what I'm saying is that most of the people who switched to vaping would have given up smoking altogether if they couldn't vape.
mushbino 4y ago
I quit smoking cigarettes ten years ago and only because I switched to vaping. If they banned it I'd go back to tobacco. In an ideal world I'd do neither, but I've been doing it for so long and I just get a lot of satisfaction out of it that's hard to replace. If we want to discuss banning things that are unhealthy, destructive, or unsightly; there's a very long list of things we should tackle first. There's a nickel plant next to my house that's been fined about 8 times in the past few years for excessive emissions and that's just an example within a mile of where I live. Don't even get me started on phthalates or plastics.
tinus_hn 4y ago
Now they’ll have to quit completely. They’ll live.
- randyrand 4y ago
  huh? Did I misunderstand or did they ban cigarettes too?

newaccount74 4y ago

I think it's the opposite: Vaping is keeping people who want to quit smoking addicted to nicotine. For most people I know the problem aren't the physical effects of addiction (those are over in a few weeks) but the peer pressure from all your friends who are still smoking. Since they banned smoking in bars and restaurants in Austria, I saw A LOT of people quit smoking. It's really not that hard when everybody looks at you in disgust when you suck on your cigarette outside a bar. If you offer vaping as a socially acceptable form of smoking, these people have a lot less incentive to give up nicotine, and will stick with it. So I think that vaping is slowing the decline of nicotine, and it absolutely should be banned. (At some point cigarettes should probably be banned as well, but it's probably too early for that)

causi 4y ago
Nicotine doesn't kill you. It doesn't make everything you own smell like burnt asshole. It doesn't make you cough up black goo when you lay on an inversion table or gasp for breath after a flight of stairs. Vaping is the greatest weapon ever created in the fight against smoking-related health damage.
- newaccount74 4y ago
  You make the assumption that people who vape would smoke if they couldn't vape. If vaping was the only way to quit smoking I would agree with you. But when I look around me, I see that a lot of people have managed to quit smoking without vaping. Marketing vaping as a way to give up smoking is very disingenious, because you are just trading one addiction for another. I know that you can give up smoking without starting another addiction. I did it, my girlfriend did it, my sisters did it, my best friend from high school did it. It took a few attempts, but we all managed to kick the habit. All of us used to smoke a pack a day, and now we're free. Juul was a last ditch attempt by tobacco companies to keep everyone addicted so they keep paying their idiot tax for their daily dose of nicotine. I'm glad someone is doing something against it.
  - causi 4y ago
    You make the assumption that people who vape would smoke if they couldn't vape. No, I'm saying that enough people have switched from smoking to vaping to more than make up for the health damage caused by people who only started vaping.
    - newaccount74 4y ago
      Yes, but what I'm saying is that most of the people who switched to vaping would have given up smoking altogether if they couldn't vape.

mushbino 4y ago

I quit smoking cigarettes ten years ago and only because I switched to vaping. If they banned it I'd go back to tobacco. In an ideal world I'd do neither, but I've been doing it for so long and I just get a lot of satisfaction out of it that's hard to replace. If we want to discuss banning things that are unhealthy, destructive, or unsightly; there's a very long list of things we should tackle first. There's a nickel plant next to my house that's been fined about 8 times in the past few years for excessive emissions and that's just an example within a mile of where I live. Don't even get me started on phthalates or plastics.

tinus_hn 4y ago

Now they’ll have to quit completely. They’ll live.

randyrand 4y ago
huh? Did I misunderstand or did they ban cigarettes too?