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It was hilarious when people from Moscow wrote "they took away our ability to buy Chanel bags, so much for European tolerance!" Not even seeing the irony. What

It was hilarious when people from Moscow wrote "they took away our ability to buy Chanel bags, so much for European tolerance!" Not even seeing the irony. What did they expect in response to bombing, pillaging, mass rape? Friendly hug?

pastacacioepepe 4y ago
If I counted every time a NATO member committed worse atrocities but wasn't held accountable at all I'd probably stop after Ukraine is conquered. What did they expect? Probably indifference, same reaction to any war crime committed by the west so far.
- lotusmars 4y ago
  Say what you want, most people in Eastern Europe, Ukraine and even lots of people in Russia would prefer to be under protection of NATO. If it were not for NATO, Russian rapists would already be in Tallinn, Vilnius, Helsinki. Claiming they were offended by historical injustices therefore women should be raped and men shot dead ("denazified").
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    > Say what you want, most people in Eastern Europe, Ukraine and even lots of people in Russia would prefer to be under protection of NATO. Not the people in Donbass and Crimea apparently. > Russian rapists Oh please, quit the blatant Lyudmila Denisova propaganda. She was fired by your own government for all the falsehood she spread.
    - trhway 4y ago
      Unfortunately firing Lyudmila Denisova doesn't unrape all the victims of all those mass rapes by Russian soldiers in Ukraine. She was doing propaganda and Ukraine rightly fired her for that. Russian soldiers have been shooting civilians at will (it is called "safari" in Russian army, and those Bucha streets - Yablunska and Vokzalnaya - with the bodies lying along the street is an example of such a "safari"). That would be an unique miracle in history if the soldiers wouldn't rape given such power in such conditions (for example those mass rapes by Soviet soldiers - 2 million of women were raped - back then in Germany in 1945 illustrate a result of such a power by the occupying force). And there is no miracle - just google Ukrainian rapes.
cpursley 4y ago
Just want to point out the mass rape claims were fabricated. Ukraine even fired Lyudmila Denisova over the ordeal: https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/06/01/ukrainian-official-fired-russian/ https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/06/01/ukrainian-official-fir...
- lotusmars 4y ago
  No, there are credible and quite horrifying reports[1]. Also some of the actual rapists were found out and victimes stepped forward. Please don't spew Russian propaganda. [1] https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/18/i-can-do-whatever-i-want-to-you https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/18/i-can-do-whatever-i-...
  - cpursley 4y ago
    How is it Russian propaganda? It's been widely reported by western sources that Denisova was fired by Ukrainian officials for lying specifically about the mass rape claims. I'm not suggesting there have been no rapes or that Russians are the good guys. Just that the reports of mass rapes were fabricated (Denisova admitted she thought it would help Ukraine obtain more sympathy and weapons from the west).

pastacacioepepe 4y ago

If I counted every time a NATO member committed worse atrocities but wasn't held accountable at all I'd probably stop after Ukraine is conquered. What did they expect? Probably indifference, same reaction to any war crime committed by the west so far.

lotusmars 4y ago
Say what you want, most people in Eastern Europe, Ukraine and even lots of people in Russia would prefer to be under protection of NATO. If it were not for NATO, Russian rapists would already be in Tallinn, Vilnius, Helsinki. Claiming they were offended by historical injustices therefore women should be raped and men shot dead ("denazified").
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  > Say what you want, most people in Eastern Europe, Ukraine and even lots of people in Russia would prefer to be under protection of NATO. Not the people in Donbass and Crimea apparently. > Russian rapists Oh please, quit the blatant Lyudmila Denisova propaganda. She was fired by your own government for all the falsehood she spread.
  - trhway 4y ago
    Unfortunately firing Lyudmila Denisova doesn't unrape all the victims of all those mass rapes by Russian soldiers in Ukraine. She was doing propaganda and Ukraine rightly fired her for that. Russian soldiers have been shooting civilians at will (it is called "safari" in Russian army, and those Bucha streets - Yablunska and Vokzalnaya - with the bodies lying along the street is an example of such a "safari"). That would be an unique miracle in history if the soldiers wouldn't rape given such power in such conditions (for example those mass rapes by Soviet soldiers - 2 million of women were raped - back then in Germany in 1945 illustrate a result of such a power by the occupying force). And there is no miracle - just google Ukrainian rapes.

cpursley 4y ago

Just want to point out the mass rape claims were fabricated. Ukraine even fired Lyudmila Denisova over the ordeal: https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/06/01/ukrainian-official-fired-russian/ https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/06/01/ukrainian-official-fir...

lotusmars 4y ago
No, there are credible and quite horrifying reports[1]. Also some of the actual rapists were found out and victimes stepped forward. Please don't spew Russian propaganda. [1] https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/18/i-can-do-whatever-i-want-to-you https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/18/i-can-do-whatever-i-...
- cpursley 4y ago
  How is it Russian propaganda? It's been widely reported by western sources that Denisova was fired by Ukrainian officials for lying specifically about the mass rape claims. I'm not suggesting there have been no rapes or that Russians are the good guys. Just that the reports of mass rapes were fabricated (Denisova admitted she thought it would help Ukraine obtain more sympathy and weapons from the west).