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This is a stupid argument. Ukrainians are being killed and you compare that to fear of being arrested? It's a nice excuse. "Oh yes I don't support my government

This is a stupid argument. Ukrainians are being killed and you compare that to fear of being arrested? It's a nice excuse. "Oh yes I don't support my government, but you know these arrests, I'd rather stay in my cosy home and enjoy my tea. Now could you please lift the sanctions? I already said I don't support my government, why normal people like me should suffer?" etc etc

FpUser 4y ago
>""Oh yes I don't support my government, but you know these arrests, I'd rather stay in my cosy home and enjoy my tea." Why are you so surprised? This is exactly how most of the population behaves everywhere. People go about their business and "support" criminal actions of their governments all the time. This includes the West. Our governments have no problems exterminating, starving and displacing people (as long as they're the "right" people to mess with) while the majority of the population is going on merrily about their business. And Europe keeps buying Russian stuff even now while "Ukrainians are being killed". Where are the mass protests and fights with the police? Things might change when "messing" with people will ALWAYS have the consequences for ANY country. But this is not what is happening and is unlikely to change. We have no extra terrestrial entity to police us in impartial way.
- lotusmars 4y ago
  > Our governments have no problems exterminating, starving and displacing people It's high time to bring "but US bombed Iraq". Classic playbook.
  - dmpk2k 4y ago
    And yet it is still true.
    - lotusmars 4y ago
      Americans just love to talk about themselves. Who cares about Russians under Putin's oppression or Ukrainians being exterminated. Let's talk about your government, Bush, Trump and Google.
      - mardifoufs 4y ago
        This is not true. I can assure you that tons of Muslims and people from the middle east also care about the fact that the same actors who gleefully engineered wars on terror that led to a million people dying and entire countries getting devastated, with absolutely 0 consequences for them, are now so very keen to hold other people accountable for illegitimate invasions. No one likes hypocrisy, especially when it is coming from the same westerners that at most protested for a few weeks back in 2003 when their own countries bombed us for 2 decades, that are now calling for other people to get arrested and possibly tortured/executed by putin's regime because that's just the right thing(tm) to do to stop the war. It would be laughable if it wasn't despicable.
  - FpUser 4y ago
    It is as classic as your own standard script. I've just explained what is going on. I did not want to single out the US as it happens everywhere. But if you are so touchy maybe you should not have "supported" that particular subject. Remind me what was your punishment?
oleg_antonyan 4y ago
Yeah, by being arrested you're doing so much more for the Ukrainians
- varispeed 4y ago
  More people having to deal with prisoners, potentially fewer people going to Ukraine. Certainly better than doing nothing.
aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
Wait until you hear about the folks your country is killing!
- varispeed 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    Yes posting that Wikipedia link isn't a magic way to deflect from the fact that the iraq war led to a million people dead. And that people are still dying from the war on terror. It's amazing that you just said that people in ukraine are still dying, and that just saying that you don't support your government from the comfort of your couch isn't enough... and then you proceeded to link an article specifically so that you can ignore/deflect the deaths that are also happening now and that should be (according to your own argument) much more important than any of your own comfort or even liberty? "Yes hundreds of thousands of Muslims died and are still dying, but bringing it up or asking me to do anything about is fallacious! Checkmate" As you said, who cares about debate tricks when people in the middle east are still dying from the war on terror as we spead? Why are you holding other people to standards that you don't even pretend to hold yourself to? You are expecting people to get arrested to prevent deaths and talk about the situation in ukraine, but I guess making you uncomfortable with "whataboutism" is the limit?

FpUser 4y ago

>""Oh yes I don't support my government, but you know these arrests, I'd rather stay in my cosy home and enjoy my tea." Why are you so surprised? This is exactly how most of the population behaves everywhere. People go about their business and "support" criminal actions of their governments all the time. This includes the West. Our governments have no problems exterminating, starving and displacing people (as long as they're the "right" people to mess with) while the majority of the population is going on merrily about their business. And Europe keeps buying Russian stuff even now while "Ukrainians are being killed". Where are the mass protests and fights with the police? Things might change when "messing" with people will ALWAYS have the consequences for ANY country. But this is not what is happening and is unlikely to change. We have no extra terrestrial entity to police us in impartial way.

lotusmars 4y ago
> Our governments have no problems exterminating, starving and displacing people It's high time to bring "but US bombed Iraq". Classic playbook.
- dmpk2k 4y ago
  And yet it is still true.
  - lotusmars 4y ago
    Americans just love to talk about themselves. Who cares about Russians under Putin's oppression or Ukrainians being exterminated. Let's talk about your government, Bush, Trump and Google.
    - mardifoufs 4y ago
      This is not true. I can assure you that tons of Muslims and people from the middle east also care about the fact that the same actors who gleefully engineered wars on terror that led to a million people dying and entire countries getting devastated, with absolutely 0 consequences for them, are now so very keen to hold other people accountable for illegitimate invasions. No one likes hypocrisy, especially when it is coming from the same westerners that at most protested for a few weeks back in 2003 when their own countries bombed us for 2 decades, that are now calling for other people to get arrested and possibly tortured/executed by putin's regime because that's just the right thing(tm) to do to stop the war. It would be laughable if it wasn't despicable.
- FpUser 4y ago
  It is as classic as your own standard script. I've just explained what is going on. I did not want to single out the US as it happens everywhere. But if you are so touchy maybe you should not have "supported" that particular subject. Remind me what was your punishment?

oleg_antonyan 4y ago

Yeah, by being arrested you're doing so much more for the Ukrainians

varispeed 4y ago
More people having to deal with prisoners, potentially fewer people going to Ukraine. Certainly better than doing nothing.

aaaaaaaaata 4y ago

Wait until you hear about the folks your country is killing!

varispeed 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  Yes posting that Wikipedia link isn't a magic way to deflect from the fact that the iraq war led to a million people dead. And that people are still dying from the war on terror. It's amazing that you just said that people in ukraine are still dying, and that just saying that you don't support your government from the comfort of your couch isn't enough... and then you proceeded to link an article specifically so that you can ignore/deflect the deaths that are also happening now and that should be (according to your own argument) much more important than any of your own comfort or even liberty? "Yes hundreds of thousands of Muslims died and are still dying, but bringing it up or asking me to do anything about is fallacious! Checkmate" As you said, who cares about debate tricks when people in the middle east are still dying from the war on terror as we spead? Why are you holding other people to standards that you don't even pretend to hold yourself to? You are expecting people to get arrested to prevent deaths and talk about the situation in ukraine, but I guess making you uncomfortable with "whataboutism" is the limit?