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This is 100% incorrect. Check your facts. Also: 1. We have zero way of knowing how any previous executive team would have handled this, but I find that mildly

by bwb 4y ago

This is 100% incorrect. Check your facts. Also: 1. We have zero way of knowing how any previous executive team would have handled this, but I find that mildly weird given this was a military operation. 2. Does the President have the ultimate responsibility for everything in the USA going on during his term? Yes, as any good leader is ultimately responsible for everything under him. 3. Does that mean the president has any control over it? Not really, the pullout was planned by the military and initiated by the previous administration. You are very wrong here on every point. Mistakes were made, at what levels and by who is going to take a 200 page report from the Pentagon. And, a healthy amount are due to the fog of war.

JPKab 4y ago
You have no idea what you're talking about, and don't even understand the relationship between the executive branch and the DoD, which is a cabinet level department with the President as literal "commander in chief". You also don't understand the basics of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or anything else. When the Bin Laden raid was executed, it was Obama who evaluated the plan and risked his presidency by signing off on it. I, and most of the country, gave him credit for that. Partisans will blame the person they didn't vote for if things go bad, and act like they had no control if they go well. If it's the person they voted for, if things go well it's due to strategic genius. Bad? They had no control over it and nothing to do with it. That's you. The statement you wrote feels like extremely motivated reasoning by somebody who, like me, voted for a person, but unlike me, feels the need to defend said person and absolve them of all blame. Nobody in the Pentagon was fired. Not one person. They couldn't be blamed, because the bad decisions came from the administration. "Check your facts" is a funny statement from someone who offered zero themselves.
- bwb 4y ago
  I understand your desire that the world works with some ultimate leader but this is not how it works. In the end the President makes a decision based on recommendations/advice from the government agency. Symbolically they are responsible but obviously the Presidential team is not designing missions. Why would someone at the Pentagon be fired? They got unlucky and made some mistakes, learn from them and get better. Why would you fire them? Last I checked the Pentagon is not fully in control over reality.

by bwb 4y ago

JPKab 4y ago

You have no idea what you're talking about, and don't even understand the relationship between the executive branch and the DoD, which is a cabinet level department with the President as literal "commander in chief". You also don't understand the basics of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or anything else. When the Bin Laden raid was executed, it was Obama who evaluated the plan and risked his presidency by signing off on it. I, and most of the country, gave him credit for that. Partisans will blame the person they didn't vote for if things go bad, and act like they had no control if they go well. If it's the person they voted for, if things go well it's due to strategic genius. Bad? They had no control over it and nothing to do with it. That's you. The statement you wrote feels like extremely motivated reasoning by somebody who, like me, voted for a person, but unlike me, feels the need to defend said person and absolve them of all blame. Nobody in the Pentagon was fired. Not one person. They couldn't be blamed, because the bad decisions came from the administration. "Check your facts" is a funny statement from someone who offered zero themselves.

bwb 4y ago
I understand your desire that the world works with some ultimate leader but this is not how it works. In the end the President makes a decision based on recommendations/advice from the government agency. Symbolically they are responsible but obviously the Presidential team is not designing missions. Why would someone at the Pentagon be fired? They got unlucky and made some mistakes, learn from them and get better. Why would you fire them? Last I checked the Pentagon is not fully in control over reality.