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Are American developers’ achievement tainted by the fact they come from the United States?

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
Underrated comment, considering the history of NATO expansion, color revolutions and the hundreds of thousands killed in pursuit of reckless ideological overt or covert warfare.
- bloqs 4y ago
  Yikes
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    Unsure what this comment means.
toyg 4y ago
Some of them, like the invasive analysis tools that exploit the Patriot Act, yes for sure.
kamray23 4y ago
Often, yes. In many places we're even wary of using US-based services at all. The EU has been having a bit of a back and forth with the US and many companies because EU law prohibits foreign states gaining access to personal information whereas US law requires foreign personal information transfers to CC the NSA on request. There's some big legislative deadlocks where American companies simply cannot operate fully in countries other than the US because the US laws require wild violations of basic rights to privacy of anyone who isn't a US citizen. Lots of things have to be cleared for backdoors, Intel and AMD are scary with their built-in ME and whatever AMD had, I can't exactly remember, proprietary hardware in general is very scary outside the US due to surveillance and possible backdoors, it's kind of weird. Same goes for China, though they don't surveil foreigners exactly as hard, at least here they don't. It's not exactly an ideal situation and I think there should be agreements done internationally on stuff like this to keep the US and China out of our devices or allowing them to kindly fuck off entirely. Not exactly the same kind of taint though, your products aren't as much morally tainted as they are simply dangerous to use, like little telescreens you have to carry around.
martin_a 4y ago
Yeah. US developers might create great software but due to the Cloud Act, Patriot Act and whatnot you don't want to use it for anything that's not public data at first. It's just not protected against unauthorized access.

Underrated comment, considering the history of NATO expansion, color revolutions and the hundreds of thousands killed in pursuit of reckless ideological overt or covert warfare.

bloqs 4y ago
Yikes
- aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
  Unsure what this comment means.

toyg 4y ago

Some of them, like the invasive analysis tools that exploit the Patriot Act, yes for sure.

kamray23 4y ago

Often, yes. In many places we're even wary of using US-based services at all. The EU has been having a bit of a back and forth with the US and many companies because EU law prohibits foreign states gaining access to personal information whereas US law requires foreign personal information transfers to CC the NSA on request. There's some big legislative deadlocks where American companies simply cannot operate fully in countries other than the US because the US laws require wild violations of basic rights to privacy of anyone who isn't a US citizen. Lots of things have to be cleared for backdoors, Intel and AMD are scary with their built-in ME and whatever AMD had, I can't exactly remember, proprietary hardware in general is very scary outside the US due to surveillance and possible backdoors, it's kind of weird. Same goes for China, though they don't surveil foreigners exactly as hard, at least here they don't. It's not exactly an ideal situation and I think there should be agreements done internationally on stuff like this to keep the US and China out of our devices or allowing them to kindly fuck off entirely. Not exactly the same kind of taint though, your products aren't as much morally tainted as they are simply dangerous to use, like little telescreens you have to carry around.

martin_a 4y ago

Yeah. US developers might create great software but due to the Cloud Act, Patriot Act and whatnot you don't want to use it for anything that's not public data at first. It's just not protected against unauthorized access.