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I do not find it stupid at all. I would prefer to live a life without a government, that issues proof of identity for me. And rather have a working economy, whe

by okr 4y ago

I do not find it stupid at all. I would prefer to live a life without a government, that issues proof of identity for me. And rather have a working economy, where the problem of ID independent of government is solved. I know, it is convenient to have a single persona, that i can use everywhere and they are interoperable. But i AM. That is proof enough. It does not need a government for the proof of that, imho.

sofixa 4y ago
> And rather have a working economy, where the problem of ID independent of government is solved That sounds profoundly stupid. You mean like the credit rating agencies that provide credit worthiness identity, but where you have no control of how and with whom they store your data? So how would that work, how would the companies providing that service make money and how could they prove your identity? They'd still need to use government info like birth certificate/drivers license to verify who you are, but they'd have a profit motive. Of course that sounds better than the government, which doesn't need to sell who you are, providing an identity service. Why have a useless middleman trying to make money off you?
- okr 4y ago
  Just take the government and a centralized ID out of the equation and it becomes an interesting problem. And why do i need a big guy, who hands out an ID with a silly watermark, prooving, that it is me? We have families, we have offspring, we have friends, we have relations, that we build over time, this should be proof enough?
  - curiousgal 4y ago
    This gives "Sovereign Citizen" vibes not gonna lie.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    > We have families, we have offspring, we have friends, we have relations, that we build over time, this should be proof enough? So fuck any homeless, people living alone, orphans, etc. ? Not to mention the utter unreliability of relying on random people (who claim they know you) for information like place/date of birth, etc.
paulryanrogers 4y ago
Yet there is the social security number and card. It's a defacto federal ID for citizens. And a similar tax ID for everyone else.
- okr 4y ago
  Yep. And i am not saying its a bad or good thing to do it that way. Just that it is one solution to a problem. Another could be, that people in need are part of their communities, people know you, and there is a charity, where people pay in and they organize themselves, to pay out benefits for the less lucky. Many things were tried out in the past, so other ideas may come up in the future. But it doesnt always need a centralized government, a big guy, far, far away.

by okr 4y ago

sofixa 4y ago

> And rather have a working economy, where the problem of ID independent of government is solved That sounds profoundly stupid. You mean like the credit rating agencies that provide credit worthiness identity, but where you have no control of how and with whom they store your data? So how would that work, how would the companies providing that service make money and how could they prove your identity? They'd still need to use government info like birth certificate/drivers license to verify who you are, but they'd have a profit motive. Of course that sounds better than the government, which doesn't need to sell who you are, providing an identity service. Why have a useless middleman trying to make money off you?

okr 4y ago
Just take the government and a centralized ID out of the equation and it becomes an interesting problem. And why do i need a big guy, who hands out an ID with a silly watermark, prooving, that it is me? We have families, we have offspring, we have friends, we have relations, that we build over time, this should be proof enough?
- curiousgal 4y ago
  This gives "Sovereign Citizen" vibes not gonna lie.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > We have families, we have offspring, we have friends, we have relations, that we build over time, this should be proof enough? So fuck any homeless, people living alone, orphans, etc. ? Not to mention the utter unreliability of relying on random people (who claim they know you) for information like place/date of birth, etc.

paulryanrogers 4y ago

Yet there is the social security number and card. It's a defacto federal ID for citizens. And a similar tax ID for everyone else.

okr 4y ago
Yep. And i am not saying its a bad or good thing to do it that way. Just that it is one solution to a problem. Another could be, that people in need are part of their communities, people know you, and there is a charity, where people pay in and they organize themselves, to pay out benefits for the less lucky. Many things were tried out in the past, so other ideas may come up in the future. But it doesnt always need a centralized government, a big guy, far, far away.