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But as a company, they do. They are filtering alternative media from their search.

hnechochamber2 4y ago
Not much they can do if the alternative is go to jail.
guerrilla 4y ago
They're just following the law of their host country, like DuckDuckGo and Google have to... What's the alternative? Open rebellion against the state?
- chupasaurus 4y ago
  They've started to do so before the law was adjusted
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    Like Facebook, Twitter and every other forum did? I wonder if there were any consequences if they didn't.
    - lotusmars 4y ago
      No, they just removed all but pro-Putin or state media out of Yandex News. It's just only pro-war Kremlin propaganda now.
    - chupasaurus 4y ago
      Basically they've taken a step further with censorship of all media not controlled by government which at the time (2014) couldn't been penalized whatsoever.
      - guerrilla 4y ago
        And what if they hadn't?
        chupasaurus 4y ago
        "Couldn't be penalized whatsoever" wasn't enough? In broader view, government could start taking hostages like they did with Google last December, but that wouldn't help reaching the goal even a small bit back then since there was no leverage on technical side of things.
        guerrilla 4y ago
        > "Couldn't be penalized whatsoever" wasn't enough? No, I think that's very naive.
- CRConrad 4y ago
  > What's the alternative? Open rebellion against the state? Yes. HTH! To elaborate: At some stage, that becomes the only acceptable alternative; not doing so is morally culpable. The world learned that in 1945, two ways: 1) "I was only following orders" was deemed not a valid excuse at the Nürnberg trials; not refusing orders like that is complicity; and 2) Germany as a whole was de-Nazified. Just like Russia needs to be now. (But more thoroughly: in Germany's case, it was an aberration of a dozen years; in Russia's, it's a millennium of unbroken history of totalitarianism.) Too bad the world seems to have forgotten those lessons since then.
iillexial 4y ago
Yandex is under full control of Russian government. Pretty sure FSB can access anything.
- lotusmars 4y ago
  Yes, similar to VK where low-level police can retrieve all of your location, messaging, IP data and sell it to mafia or thugs. Russian police is notorious for selling logs, private data or access and also selling databases on a black market.
mojuba 4y ago
Genuinely curious: which media outlets are banned from Yandex Search? I just tried Meduza for example, comes up in search just fine.
- aliher1911 4y ago
  Yandex has a news block right in the middle of its front page. Only "approved" news sources could be shown there. For people not specifically searching for recent updates on a topic or particular media outlets it represents the news. As far as I remember they wanted to remove this block instead of completely instead of censoring, but they were not allowed to. I think it was described in one of the documentaries about Yandex, but my memories are vague now.
  - mojuba 4y ago
    I know, but the OP meant Search, not News. Google and even DDG can downrank certain news sources and I wouldn't be very surprized if Yandex did too, but I'd really like to see examples.
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Not much they can do if the alternative is go to jail.

They're just following the law of their host country, like DuckDuckGo and Google have to... What's the alternative? Open rebellion against the state?

chupasaurus 4y ago
They've started to do so before the law was adjusted
- guerrilla 4y ago
  Like Facebook, Twitter and every other forum did? I wonder if there were any consequences if they didn't.
  - lotusmars 4y ago
    No, they just removed all but pro-Putin or state media out of Yandex News. It's just only pro-war Kremlin propaganda now.
  - chupasaurus 4y ago
    Basically they've taken a step further with censorship of all media not controlled by government which at the time (2014) couldn't been penalized whatsoever.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      And what if they hadn't?
      - chupasaurus 4y ago
        "Couldn't be penalized whatsoever" wasn't enough? In broader view, government could start taking hostages like they did with Google last December, but that wouldn't help reaching the goal even a small bit back then since there was no leverage on technical side of things.
        guerrilla 4y ago
        > "Couldn't be penalized whatsoever" wasn't enough? No, I think that's very naive.
CRConrad 4y ago
> What's the alternative? Open rebellion against the state? Yes. HTH! To elaborate: At some stage, that becomes the only acceptable alternative; not doing so is morally culpable. The world learned that in 1945, two ways: 1) "I was only following orders" was deemed not a valid excuse at the Nürnberg trials; not refusing orders like that is complicity; and 2) Germany as a whole was de-Nazified. Just like Russia needs to be now. (But more thoroughly: in Germany's case, it was an aberration of a dozen years; in Russia's, it's a millennium of unbroken history of totalitarianism.) Too bad the world seems to have forgotten those lessons since then.

iillexial 4y ago

Yandex is under full control of Russian government. Pretty sure FSB can access anything.

lotusmars 4y ago
Yes, similar to VK where low-level police can retrieve all of your location, messaging, IP data and sell it to mafia or thugs. Russian police is notorious for selling logs, private data or access and also selling databases on a black market.

mojuba 4y ago

Genuinely curious: which media outlets are banned from Yandex Search? I just tried Meduza for example, comes up in search just fine.

aliher1911 4y ago
Yandex has a news block right in the middle of its front page. Only "approved" news sources could be shown there. For people not specifically searching for recent updates on a topic or particular media outlets it represents the news. As far as I remember they wanted to remove this block instead of completely instead of censoring, but they were not allowed to. I think it was described in one of the documentaries about Yandex, but my memories are vague now.
- mojuba 4y ago
  I know, but the OP meant Search, not News. Google and even DDG can downrank certain news sources and I wouldn't be very surprized if Yandex did too, but I'd really like to see examples.
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