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Ugh, this again. For no code to work one needs to be sure the framework can handle the requirements well, so customizations and workarounds wont be needed. To

by aenis 4y ago

Ugh, this again. For no code to work one needs to be sure the framework can handle the requirements well, so customizations and workarounds wont be needed. To know the requirements sufficiently well one usually needs something in production, and years of experience with it. Why bother with no/low code then? If a more modern reimplementation is needed, it can be elegantly implemented in one of the bazzilion software stacks out there. Another big disadvantage is lack of developers that like those kind of things and know them well. Those who do know those frameworks usually cost a lot more. Lots of those relatively niche things, such as mulesoft, are really just means to strengten the vendor lock in, and are sold to management, not engineering leads, on the premise of lessening the reliance on actual engineering. Which of course is a lie.

wussboy 4y ago
There’s always that one feature you need that’s not supported, and because you can’t just write some code to implement that feature, you’re stuck. I’ve told this story here before, but I spent a day knocking out a couple of hundred lines of code to provision users in our system. But we wanted to trigger that provisioning from Okta, so someone else spent months implementing it in Okta’s no code system. And at the end of the day only that dev knew how to use it or how to fix it. We would have been much better off keeping it in Python.
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beej71 4y ago
> Ugh, this again. It's cyclic. :) But one of these days (I figure with the help of machine learning), it'll actually reach Star Trek levels and we'll be out of a job.
- aenis 4y ago
  Yes, I am sure. I am envisioning a hybrid between a GUI reducing the programming to dragging arrows between neat boxes, and co-pilot moving the mouse like an aimbot, freeing the non-programmer from having to do the totally-not-programming things with those arrows. This will be a great future.
dangerface 4y ago
Yup i'm pretty convinced the whole no code thing is just a scam. People claim it's different from the old school no code and that it's faster to prototype in. Anything I look at is just the same drag and drop blocks of code, scrolling through a library of blocks of every function possible looking for an if statement, it really is a solution in search of a problem. Management keep asking me to use it because "its easier to work with because you don't need to code!". I ask them if I already know how to code why would it be easier to use a new system I don't know? Blank faces all around.

by aenis 4y ago

wussboy 4y ago

There’s always that one feature you need that’s not supported, and because you can’t just write some code to implement that feature, you’re stuck. I’ve told this story here before, but I spent a day knocking out a couple of hundred lines of code to provision users in our system. But we wanted to trigger that provisioning from Okta, so someone else spent months implementing it in Okta’s no code system. And at the end of the day only that dev knew how to use it or how to fix it. We would have been much better off keeping it in Python.

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beej71 4y ago

> Ugh, this again. It's cyclic. :) But one of these days (I figure with the help of machine learning), it'll actually reach Star Trek levels and we'll be out of a job.

aenis 4y ago
Yes, I am sure. I am envisioning a hybrid between a GUI reducing the programming to dragging arrows between neat boxes, and co-pilot moving the mouse like an aimbot, freeing the non-programmer from having to do the totally-not-programming things with those arrows. This will be a great future.

dangerface 4y ago

Yup i'm pretty convinced the whole no code thing is just a scam. People claim it's different from the old school no code and that it's faster to prototype in. Anything I look at is just the same drag and drop blocks of code, scrolling through a library of blocks of every function possible looking for an if statement, it really is a solution in search of a problem. Management keep asking me to use it because "its easier to work with because you don't need to code!". I ask them if I already know how to code why would it be easier to use a new system I don't know? Blank faces all around.