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Would love Nintendo to bring back some personnality to their next system. Switch was such a downgrade from 3DS regarding experience. Android didn't help in term

Would love Nintendo to bring back some personnality to their next system. Switch was such a downgrade from 3DS regarding experience. Android didn't help in terms of design or speed but I missed all the funny features and crazyness Nintendo got us used to with their previous handheld. Also, the eshop was such a pain in the ass to browse, again it screamed Android System all the way for both poor selection and unbearable slowness.

vbitz 4y ago
The Nintendo Switch is not Android-based. It runs on a modified version of the 3DS software (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softwar...).
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fxtentacle 4y ago
Yeah I also never understood why the eShop is so bad. Even scrolling around in videos takes forever. But then again, me and my friends always buy cartridges so that we can trade finished games. So maybe someone at Nintendo did the math and decided that a global CDN isn't worth it.
- averne_ 4y ago
  Because it runs in a browser (WebKit-based), and because the browser is compiled without JIT for security concerns. It should really be a native applet, but Nintendo probably wanted to control it without needing a full firmware update.
  - danuker 4y ago
    They could have simplified the payload then (layout, JS...).
    - averne_ 4y ago
      I'm not sure there's much to be simplified, interpreted JS is just that slow. In more recent firmwares Nintendo introduced more security-oriented changes (CFI, PAC) that potentially slowed the browser down even further. The Switch CPU is also not fast to begin with, and severely underclocked compared to what you would see on a regular Tegra X1. It used to be that you could access the Switch eshop using a dumped console certificate, and it was very smooth on a regular desktop browser.
thih9 4y ago
Could you elaborate on personality? In my opinion Switch has good balance of personality and usefulness. You can play it at home, you can play it handheld, you can share a joycon with a friend, it got games like ARMS and LABO kits, all that seems like a lot of character to me.

vbitz 4y ago

The Nintendo Switch is not Android-based. It runs on a modified version of the 3DS software (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softwar...).

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fxtentacle 4y ago

Yeah I also never understood why the eShop is so bad. Even scrolling around in videos takes forever. But then again, me and my friends always buy cartridges so that we can trade finished games. So maybe someone at Nintendo did the math and decided that a global CDN isn't worth it.

averne_ 4y ago
Because it runs in a browser (WebKit-based), and because the browser is compiled without JIT for security concerns. It should really be a native applet, but Nintendo probably wanted to control it without needing a full firmware update.
- danuker 4y ago
  They could have simplified the payload then (layout, JS...).
  - averne_ 4y ago
    I'm not sure there's much to be simplified, interpreted JS is just that slow. In more recent firmwares Nintendo introduced more security-oriented changes (CFI, PAC) that potentially slowed the browser down even further. The Switch CPU is also not fast to begin with, and severely underclocked compared to what you would see on a regular Tegra X1. It used to be that you could access the Switch eshop using a dumped console certificate, and it was very smooth on a regular desktop browser.

thih9 4y ago

Could you elaborate on personality? In my opinion Switch has good balance of personality and usefulness. You can play it at home, you can play it handheld, you can share a joycon with a friend, it got games like ARMS and LABO kits, all that seems like a lot of character to me.