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I want to use Python more often but having to care about significant white space is a much bigger downer for me than the async being a "dumpster fire" and I als

I want to use Python more often but having to care about significant white space is a much bigger downer for me than the async being a "dumpster fire" and I also don't think async in Python is so bad. I'm saying this as someone who has been programming in many languages since more than 20 years.

klibertp 4y ago
What kind of editor do you use for writing code? If you need to "care" about significant white space, it might be that you're simply using the wrong tool for the job. Working with Python since 2.4 (among tens of other languages) I honestly don't remember a single situation where I had to care...
- egeozcan 4y ago
  It depends, I like using vim on a remote computer and use IntelliJ locally. It usually breaks when I'm trying to refactor, copying and pasting etc.
  - klibertp 4y ago
    I was using Vim for a few years and later switched to Emacs. Both provide commands for handling indentation of lines and blocks of code. You just paste and select/mark a block, then indent or unindent until the first line of the block is aligned with the preceding line in a place where you pasted the code. It's true that you can't auto-indent on paste, though. Still, it never slowed me down noticeably. It's a trade-off, to be sure: you need to align indents manually, but then you don't ever have to deal with things like this: if (sth) sth1(); sth2();
    - egeozcan 4y ago
      Yeah, the thing is, if you do forget to align things, which is a thing if your eyes are not the sharpest, weird things can happen, especially when you are writing scripts as if there's no tomorrow. Those experiments usually end up being written for the node.js runtime because I really, really hate aligning lines when I'm writing one-off scripts.
      - klibertp 4y ago
        Well, Python is in general not the greatest language for one-off scripts, so it's not strange to use something else for this use case. I definitely never felt your pain, though. I think I'd have to see you edit a Python file live to understand what makes it problematic for you (for example: what width of an indent do you use? wouldn't increasing the width help you notice misalignment? and if it's about seeing/noticing, can't you make your editor display whitespace?). In my experience, there's no syntax that would be free of gotchas and pain points - I tend to accept them, and if I'm going to work with a particular syntax more than once, I write a bit Elisp to make working around them as seamless as possible.
      - oofbey 4y ago
        I totally have this problem with yaml. I wish vim had a line-these-things-up button, kinda like how % lets you bounce around in parenthesis - something like that for leading-whitespace alignment.

klibertp 4y ago

What kind of editor do you use for writing code? If you need to "care" about significant white space, it might be that you're simply using the wrong tool for the job. Working with Python since 2.4 (among tens of other languages) I honestly don't remember a single situation where I had to care...

egeozcan 4y ago
It depends, I like using vim on a remote computer and use IntelliJ locally. It usually breaks when I'm trying to refactor, copying and pasting etc.
- klibertp 4y ago
  I was using Vim for a few years and later switched to Emacs. Both provide commands for handling indentation of lines and blocks of code. You just paste and select/mark a block, then indent or unindent until the first line of the block is aligned with the preceding line in a place where you pasted the code. It's true that you can't auto-indent on paste, though. Still, it never slowed me down noticeably. It's a trade-off, to be sure: you need to align indents manually, but then you don't ever have to deal with things like this: if (sth) sth1(); sth2();
  - egeozcan 4y ago
    Yeah, the thing is, if you do forget to align things, which is a thing if your eyes are not the sharpest, weird things can happen, especially when you are writing scripts as if there's no tomorrow. Those experiments usually end up being written for the node.js runtime because I really, really hate aligning lines when I'm writing one-off scripts.
    - klibertp 4y ago
      Well, Python is in general not the greatest language for one-off scripts, so it's not strange to use something else for this use case. I definitely never felt your pain, though. I think I'd have to see you edit a Python file live to understand what makes it problematic for you (for example: what width of an indent do you use? wouldn't increasing the width help you notice misalignment? and if it's about seeing/noticing, can't you make your editor display whitespace?). In my experience, there's no syntax that would be free of gotchas and pain points - I tend to accept them, and if I'm going to work with a particular syntax more than once, I write a bit Elisp to make working around them as seamless as possible.
    - oofbey 4y ago
      I totally have this problem with yaml. I wish vim had a line-these-things-up button, kinda like how % lets you bounce around in parenthesis - something like that for leading-whitespace alignment.