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You're attempting to reframe the conversation away from "overthrow your government" to "release embarrassing information about your government". I hope you can
by jhugo 4y ago
You're attempting to reframe the conversation away from "overthrow your government" to "release embarrassing information about your government". I hope you can see that these things are wildly different.
The US treatment of both Assange and Manning no doubt serve as a potent warning to anyone considering a similar leak in the future. Russians have also had plenty of similar warnings.
From the start of this thread:
> If you share liberal values with the rest of us, you need to emigrate. If not, well, perhaps you can create a github clone for Russia.
Even after clearing the enormous hurdle of emigration, Russian citizens face discrimination in opening bank accounts, getting jobs, starting businesses and so on. Even GitHub will likely force them to prove somehow that they are no longer tied to Russia, which may be very difficult depending on where they emigrated to and how they got there.
The treatment of ordinary people who had nothing to do with the war this way is against all the values we claim to hold, and ultimately damages the credibility of the countries complicit in it.
- darthrupert 4y ago> You're attempting to reframe the conversation away from "overthrow your government" to "release embarrassing information about your government". I hope you can see that these things are wildly different. Yes, I did do that. My bad. > Even after clearing the enormous hurdle of emigration, Russian citizens face discrimination in opening bank accounts, getting jobs, starting businesses and so on. I’m sure this is not terribly different from the checks that the western world would (and, I say, very well should!) do on every citizen immigrating from a hostile country. It’s not a perfect situation, but nothing in this whole situation is exactly perfect. Did you read about the Russian spy that was caught trying to infiltrate the International Criminal Court? He had been working on a cover story since 2010. That’s the level of the threat that we need to be prepared to thwart. Of course, this diligence should be handled by the authorities and once a person passes all those checks, they should be considered just like anyone else.