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The major problem with cartridges is, beyond the very real risk of effectively having a pipe bomb in your hand pointed at your face, is that those in charge of

The major problem with cartridges is, beyond the very real risk of effectively having a pipe bomb in your hand pointed at your face, is that those in charge of formulas are assholes. They're desperately trying to duplicate the experience of smoking weed, including intentionally adding propylene glycol and other irritants for the effect of throat irritation to make you cough. They're failing and ruining the experience. This is asinine. The tastes are horrible and lean towards chemically, synthetic tastes. The other problem is the massive, absurdly huge, selection. Choices are great, but they went absolutely nuts (and the same is true of flower selections), and I would assume it is a stoner in charge of all this crap. Bad idea. The high from cartridges is very one dimensional, just not as potent as decent flower. Also, you're out of your mind if you think cartridges are cheaper than flower. It isn't even close, cost is on the order of 300% more expensive for cartridges. If all this could be fixed, if the makers would stop assuming what consumers want and just produce an honest product without the bullshit, carts might become superior.

turdnagel 4y ago
The article specifically mentions that THC cartridges - at least the ones they reviewed - don't use propylene glycol. Your second problem is, as you say, not unique to cartridges. I kind of agree with your third point. Not sure what the solve is there. Yes they're more expensive. The only way to have the most competitive market with the best product is federal legalization.
lovich 4y ago
> The other problem is the massive, absurdly huge, selection. Choices are great, but they went absolutely nuts (and the same is true of flower selections), and I would assume it is a stoner in charge of all this crap. Bad idea. Is the craft brew industry also a mistake? For medicinal marijuana I can see users wanting a well regulated, simple commodity. For most recreational marijuana users though, they treat the smoking as an experience. The pot heads I know are always sharing new strains they found or developed and seem really excited when another pothead brings by something novel.
- extr 4y ago
  As someone who has tried a million varieties of both craft beer and weed, and honestly prefers the latter, there is so much more variability with beer it's not even a contest. I used to have a joke I would make with dealers back when weed was illegal and that was the only way to buy it. I would ask what kind of weed they were selling me and they would always come up with a crazy name for it, "Mind Crusher Ultra Sour Diesel" or whatever, take your pick. I'd wait for them to finish and then ask "Will it get me high?" and they would laugh and say of course. The joke being, we all know that being high off any given strain is pretty damn similar. It's not like I was going to say "Oh, never mind" if he said the wrong name. It's as if craft beer manufactures were advertising their beer got you a different kind of drunk. Sounds ridiculous right?
extr 4y ago
Totally agree about the nonsense marketing of effectively identical cartridges (and everything else weed related). I pretty much ignore everything said by dispensaries directly and just go with whatever manufacturer has the most transparent info about their production processes. I find there is a real lack of professionalism in the industry, I would honestly prefer to buy my shit from the dispensary equivalent of an accounting firm if I could. I was curious about your 300% figure and checked out my local dispensary. Looking at the cheapest ounces, it's like $120. Let's say .1g is a dose for me, and so I get 280 doses from that. That's around 40c a dose. Comparing to an "expensive" cart at $70, let's make the conservative estimate I only get 100 doses from that. That's 70c a dose. That's 175% different, with the most favorable possible comparison to flower. More realistically I would say that smoking < .2g at a time is almost impractical. That limits the amount of doses you get from flower. And realistically, I would get closer to 150 doses from a high THC 1G cart. So now carts are actually more favorable!
- humaniania 4y ago
  You can buy good 1g THC carts for $20-25 in legal states.
  - extr 4y ago
    Oh yeah, I saw some for that price as well. I just wanted to make a maximally unfair (to carts) comparison to make a point.
- Maursault 4y ago
  There's allegedly 1g in a cart for $25-$100. There's 3.5g in an eighth for about the same price as a cart, 7g in a quarter, and 28g in an ounce. So please refigure. And not all weed is sold at dispensaries.
  - extr 4y ago
    I don't understand your point. I'm aware of the various weights to gram conversions, that's how I went from a .1g dose to (28*10=) 280 doses for an oz. You realize that dry flower is not at all equivalent to that weight in oil right? Doing a weight to weight comparison makes no sense. Do you actually smoke weed or have experience with any of this stuff yourself?
the_only_law 4y ago
> They're desperately trying to duplicate the experience of smoking weed, including intentionally adding propylene glycol and other irritants for the effect of throat irritation to make you cough. Is THAT what it is? I've only taken to vapes recently and inhaling too hard has me coughing so hard I start sweating. Nothing else I've ever smoked kicked the hell out of me like that.

turdnagel 4y ago

The article specifically mentions that THC cartridges - at least the ones they reviewed - don't use propylene glycol. Your second problem is, as you say, not unique to cartridges. I kind of agree with your third point. Not sure what the solve is there. Yes they're more expensive. The only way to have the most competitive market with the best product is federal legalization.

lovich 4y ago

> The other problem is the massive, absurdly huge, selection. Choices are great, but they went absolutely nuts (and the same is true of flower selections), and I would assume it is a stoner in charge of all this crap. Bad idea. Is the craft brew industry also a mistake? For medicinal marijuana I can see users wanting a well regulated, simple commodity. For most recreational marijuana users though, they treat the smoking as an experience. The pot heads I know are always sharing new strains they found or developed and seem really excited when another pothead brings by something novel.

extr 4y ago
As someone who has tried a million varieties of both craft beer and weed, and honestly prefers the latter, there is so much more variability with beer it's not even a contest. I used to have a joke I would make with dealers back when weed was illegal and that was the only way to buy it. I would ask what kind of weed they were selling me and they would always come up with a crazy name for it, "Mind Crusher Ultra Sour Diesel" or whatever, take your pick. I'd wait for them to finish and then ask "Will it get me high?" and they would laugh and say of course. The joke being, we all know that being high off any given strain is pretty damn similar. It's not like I was going to say "Oh, never mind" if he said the wrong name. It's as if craft beer manufactures were advertising their beer got you a different kind of drunk. Sounds ridiculous right?

extr 4y ago

Totally agree about the nonsense marketing of effectively identical cartridges (and everything else weed related). I pretty much ignore everything said by dispensaries directly and just go with whatever manufacturer has the most transparent info about their production processes. I find there is a real lack of professionalism in the industry, I would honestly prefer to buy my shit from the dispensary equivalent of an accounting firm if I could. I was curious about your 300% figure and checked out my local dispensary. Looking at the cheapest ounces, it's like $120. Let's say .1g is a dose for me, and so I get 280 doses from that. That's around 40c a dose. Comparing to an "expensive" cart at $70, let's make the conservative estimate I only get 100 doses from that. That's 70c a dose. That's 175% different, with the most favorable possible comparison to flower. More realistically I would say that smoking < .2g at a time is almost impractical. That limits the amount of doses you get from flower. And realistically, I would get closer to 150 doses from a high THC 1G cart. So now carts are actually more favorable!

humaniania 4y ago
You can buy good 1g THC carts for $20-25 in legal states.
- extr 4y ago
  Oh yeah, I saw some for that price as well. I just wanted to make a maximally unfair (to carts) comparison to make a point.
Maursault 4y ago
There's allegedly 1g in a cart for $25-$100. There's 3.5g in an eighth for about the same price as a cart, 7g in a quarter, and 28g in an ounce. So please refigure. And not all weed is sold at dispensaries.
- extr 4y ago
  I don't understand your point. I'm aware of the various weights to gram conversions, that's how I went from a .1g dose to (28*10=) 280 doses for an oz. You realize that dry flower is not at all equivalent to that weight in oil right? Doing a weight to weight comparison makes no sense. Do you actually smoke weed or have experience with any of this stuff yourself?

the_only_law 4y ago

> They're desperately trying to duplicate the experience of smoking weed, including intentionally adding propylene glycol and other irritants for the effect of throat irritation to make you cough. Is THAT what it is? I've only taken to vapes recently and inhaling too hard has me coughing so hard I start sweating. Nothing else I've ever smoked kicked the hell out of me like that.