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Introducing Immutant - a true, enterprise-grade application server for Clojure
- ique 15y agoI'm not really familiar with what an application server is (even less what makes it enterprise-grade). What is the typical use-case for this or TorqueBox?
- ibdknox 15y agoI had a similar issue. It'd be worth expanding the description to be more concrete. What I see there now seems more marketing/management focused than focused at the people who are likely to actually be using it. :)
- technomancy 15y agoYeah, I looked up the wikipedia page for JBoss and it was just acronym soup.
- vineet 15y agoYeah, they need to simplify their 'messaging'. Oh, and see here for what an applicaiton server is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server TorqueBox's home page explains the use-cases well.
- roestava 15y agoI'm not sure either. I can tell you this. A couple of days ago I tried using TorqueBox with JRuby. After struggling a little getting the right JRuby (within TorqueBox) to get started and finding out what to do with Rakefiles, I managed to get a simple "Hello World" kind of Ruby (Rack) app running with it in-loco. I just went to the directory of the config.ru file. Created a Rakefile there. Then ran commands like rake torquebox:deploy and then rake torquebox:run It started the JBoss process and at the end of it loaded my simple app. I tested it a little on the browser and ran the Apache benchmark tool on it like ab -n 1000 -c 10 http://127.0.0.1:8080/hello http://127.0.0.1:8080/hello After it had warmed up, further benchmark runs were much faster. On my weak hardware, going up to 2.2k requests/second or something. I was like "wow! Give me more of that." Not really that it couldn't be matched by other technologies for that kind of stuff, but that it was a single process easily configured. If we think that the same process could be shared by many other scripts, programs and so on, it's a good way to reuse all of that in innovative ways. Deep down it's not much more than having a stable multi-threaded environment that you can rely on. Then I thought: wait! When I started with Ruby, I was running from all of that kind of complexity! It's as if we were being assimilated by Java again. Only this time we don't have to use so much Java or xml.
- jcrossley 15y agoHere's the best answer I could come up with: http://bit.ly/wtfenterprise http://bit.ly/wtfenterprise Disclaimer: I'm a TorqueBox/Immutant developer
- jwr 15y agoSo, where is the code?
- cmelbye 15y agoUnder the "Development" tab?... https://github.com/immutant/immutant/ https://github.com/immutant/immutant/
- gburt 15y agoWhat is "enterprise grade"?
- Volpe 15y agoI believe it means it's slow, unreliable, and expensive. Oh and there will be some certification program to train people in it.
- vineet 15y agoSeems like they are talking about clustering, load-balancing, etc.
- lrenn 15y ago#lisp 11:01 < TimoT> aren't enterprise solutions like regular solutions but cost 10-100x more? 11:01 < jsnell> they also don't work
- va_coder 15y agoSomething marketed towards MBA's - not coders.
- gtrak 15y agomaybe for coders that have to deal with MBA's
- m0wfo 15y agoIt's so easy to integrate a clojure / scala app with Glassfish, JBossAS etc anyway, what use is this?
- whalesalad 15y agoRight off the bat you guys need to spend a teeny weency bit of time and rebrand yourselves. The logo reminds me of a counter-strike clan from 2001.
- moomin 15y agoI really can't see this flying. Not even most Java guys want the added complexity of an "enterprise application server" anymore.
- michaelcampbell 15y agoNo, we don't, but we often don't have a choice; that choice is made for us by PHB's and astronaut architects. And in my case, banks, who are my company's main customers. The whole world isn't Silicon Valley; there are a lot of us out here who don't get to do the new-ooo!-shiny all the time.
- moomin 15y agoVery, very true. But it seems to me that the people who want this sort of thing (people who make decision on golf courses) don't really like the sound of Clojure. Although I'm fully aware some firms are dysfunctional, it seems to require a strange alignment of the planets for someone to decide on using immutant.