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> I think you read a different article than the rest of us. Perhaps what is different is that I actually did read the article. Your implied appeal to authorit

by natch 4y ago

> I think you read a different article than the rest of us. Perhaps what is different is that I actually did read the article. Your implied appeal to authority aside, the Texas car was not driverless and was not being driven by autopilot at any time prior to the crash into the tree. Reports to the contrary are based on speculation by Texas law enforcement (ugh) and are mistaken. And the California car had been in a collision violent enough to land it in a junkyard, which is plenty enough to set off a process culminating in fire.

gamblor956 4y ago
as not being driven by autopilot at any time prior to the crash into the tree That is factually incorrect. The victim's wives confirmed that their husbands were playing around with FSD or Autopilot right before the crash. Notably, Tesla claims that Autopilot was deactivated at the time of the crash, but we now know (thanks to the NHTSA) that Tesla deliberately deactivates AP/FSD right before unavoidable impacts so that Tesla can falsely claim that AP/FSD were not the cause of AP/FSD accidents (and the NHTSA has confirmed that this has happened at least 16 times, with 12 of those incidents resulting in fatalities).
- natch 4y ago
  The wives are not in a position to know what was happening during that particular drive. Very strange that anyone has to spell out something this obvious to you, but given your mistaken claim that what I said was “factually incorrect” I guess I do: The fact that Autopilot was not activated does not prove that it was activated. Yeah. Let that sink in. Also you neglected to notice that Autosteer, a critical part of Autopilot, cannot be activated on that road. The NTSB (not NTHSA as you mention) confirmed this. From their report, based on their testing with an exemplar car: “Autosteer was not available on that part of the road.” They were able to engage cruise control on the road but that is a very tame mode which does not accelerate with any kind of speed that would resemble what happened. It also disengages automatically if it encounters special conditions such as it would if the driver neglected to steer and allowed the car to go off the road, or if the driver purposely steers off the road, for that matter. More importantly, even if it was engaged (and there’s no proof or even indication that it was) the driver is still responsible for maintaining safe control of the vehicle.

by natch 4y ago

gamblor956 4y ago

as not being driven by autopilot at any time prior to the crash into the tree That is factually incorrect. The victim's wives confirmed that their husbands were playing around with FSD or Autopilot right before the crash. Notably, Tesla claims that Autopilot was deactivated at the time of the crash, but we now know (thanks to the NHTSA) that Tesla deliberately deactivates AP/FSD right before unavoidable impacts so that Tesla can falsely claim that AP/FSD were not the cause of AP/FSD accidents (and the NHTSA has confirmed that this has happened at least 16 times, with 12 of those incidents resulting in fatalities).

natch 4y ago
The wives are not in a position to know what was happening during that particular drive. Very strange that anyone has to spell out something this obvious to you, but given your mistaken claim that what I said was “factually incorrect” I guess I do: The fact that Autopilot was not activated does not prove that it was activated. Yeah. Let that sink in. Also you neglected to notice that Autosteer, a critical part of Autopilot, cannot be activated on that road. The NTSB (not NTHSA as you mention) confirmed this. From their report, based on their testing with an exemplar car: “Autosteer was not available on that part of the road.” They were able to engage cruise control on the road but that is a very tame mode which does not accelerate with any kind of speed that would resemble what happened. It also disengages automatically if it encounters special conditions such as it would if the driver neglected to steer and allowed the car to go off the road, or if the driver purposely steers off the road, for that matter. More importantly, even if it was engaged (and there’s no proof or even indication that it was) the driver is still responsible for maintaining safe control of the vehicle.