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https://www.chorus.co.nz/tools-support/broadband-tools/broadband-map https://www.chorus.co.nz/tools-support/broadband-tools/broad... New Zealand has fibre to t

https://www.chorus.co.nz/tools-support/broadband-tools/broadband-map https://www.chorus.co.nz/tools-support/broadband-tools/broad... New Zealand has fibre to the home for the majority of a country the side of the eastern seaboard of the US, with only 5 million people, and a lower per-capita GDP. It's doable. It's just a question of wanting to.

Aloha 4y ago
Its just not as efficient, you can deliver similar classes of service by HFC networks.
- rodgerd 4y ago
  Australia and New Zealand have helpfully agreed to provide a case study in which works best. Mixed fibre and copper in Australia is slower and ended up costing dramatically more than it was supposed to.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
  I think it's just inertia. At higher speeds you have to do so much signal processing going over copper, that it iss costing more and more energy compared to optical. Which is limited to 2.5 Watts per port and end of the fiber, at least in common prosumer facing gear. While you can push up to 80KM(or meanwhile even more!) in one run with such stuff, depending on the used fibre and wavelength. Speaking about optical modules in this formfactor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_form-factor_pluggable_transceiver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_form-factor_pluggable_tr...
- robocat 4y ago
  I was initially a skeptic of the cost of Fibre-To-The-Premises, but in hindsight for New Zealand (≈Oregon) I think a national rollout of fibre was very effective[3][4]. AFAIK fibre is more resilient to catastrophes (like earthquakes[1][2] in Christchurch or California), and having a high speed residential fibre network definitely helped during Covid. I am uncertain what you mean by “efficient”. Perhaps link to something that backs up your opinion? [1] https://az659834.vo.msecnd.net/eventsaircancprod/production-venuewest-public/4491ae0dc0cf4698b586c22ea9788df0 https://az659834.vo.msecnd.net/eventsaircancprod/production-... [2] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sonia-Giovinazzi-2/publication/318507579_Resilience_and_fragility_of_the_telecommunication_network_to_seismic_events_Evidence_after_the_Kaikoura_New_Zealand_earthquake/links/59724fc50f7e9b4016943d9c/Resilience-and-fragility-of-the-telecommunication-network-to-seismic-events-Evidence-after-the-Kaikoura-New-Zealand-earthquake.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sonia-Giovinazzi-2/publ... [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29791864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29791864 [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25339491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25339491

Aloha 4y ago

Its just not as efficient, you can deliver similar classes of service by HFC networks.

rodgerd 4y ago
Australia and New Zealand have helpfully agreed to provide a case study in which works best. Mixed fibre and copper in Australia is slower and ended up costing dramatically more than it was supposed to.
LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
I think it's just inertia. At higher speeds you have to do so much signal processing going over copper, that it iss costing more and more energy compared to optical. Which is limited to 2.5 Watts per port and end of the fiber, at least in common prosumer facing gear. While you can push up to 80KM(or meanwhile even more!) in one run with such stuff, depending on the used fibre and wavelength. Speaking about optical modules in this formfactor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_form-factor_pluggable_transceiver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_form-factor_pluggable_tr...
robocat 4y ago
I was initially a skeptic of the cost of Fibre-To-The-Premises, but in hindsight for New Zealand (≈Oregon) I think a national rollout of fibre was very effective[3][4]. AFAIK fibre is more resilient to catastrophes (like earthquakes[1][2] in Christchurch or California), and having a high speed residential fibre network definitely helped during Covid. I am uncertain what you mean by “efficient”. Perhaps link to something that backs up your opinion? [1] https://az659834.vo.msecnd.net/eventsaircancprod/production-venuewest-public/4491ae0dc0cf4698b586c22ea9788df0 https://az659834.vo.msecnd.net/eventsaircancprod/production-... [2] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sonia-Giovinazzi-2/publication/318507579_Resilience_and_fragility_of_the_telecommunication_network_to_seismic_events_Evidence_after_the_Kaikoura_New_Zealand_earthquake/links/59724fc50f7e9b4016943d9c/Resilience-and-fragility-of-the-telecommunication-network-to-seismic-events-Evidence-after-the-Kaikoura-New-Zealand-earthquake.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sonia-Giovinazzi-2/publ... [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29791864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29791864 [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25339491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25339491