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All of the cartridges I buy have a breakdown of THC, THCa, CBD, CBDa, and eight different turpenes. I trust their analysis and quality control more than most c

by snarfy 4y ago

All of the cartridges I buy have a breakdown of THC, THCa, CBD, CBDa, and eight different turpenes. I trust their analysis and quality control more than most consumable products.

robonerd 4y ago
What is your basis for this trust? If it's a general faith in the good nature of other people, then I respect and envy that. But lacking that faith, I see a system where federal oversight is nonexistent and state oversight is probably some combination of incompetent or corrupt. If I had to guess, I think most companies in this industry are probably on the level. But a commercial incentive for doctoring lab reports clearly exists (even for independent labs) and at least a few companies have been busted for it. Federal legalization and FDA/USDA oversight can't come soon enough.
- snarfy 4y ago
  You seem to put a lot of trust in the federal and state governments. I trust their product because it is a highly competitive market and it is a premium product. If one cartridge says it's 77% and the next says it's 67%, you can tell when you vape it. People would just buy other products if they were inconsistent.
  - ghostly_s 4y ago
    > If one cartridge says it's 77% and the next says it's 67%, you can tell when you vape it. Oh, please.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    This is downright silly -> there are numerous markets where consumers were getting duped for years before anyone found out. The market for cosmetics is highly competitive and yet it's full of counterfeit goods containing horse urine. This in particukar is very similar to original snake oil sales men. The consumers do not know the health effect or product purity untill many years down the line.
  - denkmoon 4y ago
    Competition indicates nothing about trustworthiness when 100% of consumers are incapable of validating that trust.
droopyEyelids 4y ago
The article is about the cartridges themselves. They heat things with a metal heating element that can be damaged and release metal ions at operational temperatures.
ghostly_s 4y ago
The concerning element is not the marijuana extracts but the additives they are suspended in, which are generally unregulated and undisclosed (the cannibinoid analysis is there because it is legally mandated, and is the basis for tax assessment). Unfortunately, this recent Chicago Sun Times investigation[1] also demonstrated that even our very strict testing protocols in Illinois are apparently ineffective, with almost none of the tested products matching the lab results printed on the package. 1. https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/2021/12/10/22828340/legal-weed-testing-illinois-cannabis-regulation-mold-bacteria https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/2021/12/10/22828340/le...
- denkmoon 4y ago
  It's like everyone forgot the popcorn lung outbreak a few years ago.
  - wowokay 4y ago
    I don’t hear about it anymore, and if anything usage has likely increased.
    - denkmoon 4y ago
      I think vape cart manufacturers removed Vitamin E from their suspension medium because of the negative publicity. I'm not aware of any regulation that resulted because of it, which would specifically prevent Vitamin E being added back into the mix at some point.
  - majorpothead 4y ago
    Or, we were paying close attention and saw the rise of fake-branded carts absolutely exploding on social media right before popcorn lung cases hit the news. And for 3-4 weeks there were all these god damn stories and all these theories even here on HN. But many of us, watching the sidelines in /r/fakecarts or whatever the various subs are that I used to check in on, were reading countless stories of "friend drives these from Cali bro, but my friend had to go to the hospital". Over and over, right before they started hitting the national news. Oh, and by this time the cannabis forums were already abuzz trying to figure out what the "new" suspension liquid was. And worried that it was Mineral Oil or Vit E oil. Which, it was. And then there were 2-3 big fake cart producers busted in the Midwest, the new product was removed (never followed up to see if he was held liable) .... And just like that "popcorn lung" stories fell out of the news. Damn near immediately (I remember this hyper distinctively as I'd done months of research about everything concentrate/cart related before a large travel trip. Before I left I was watching fake carts explode. While traveling I was laughing as people were indicting pot, all carts, vapes in general. And then sure enough, a few arrests were made in the Midwest and I've literally never seen a noteworthy article about "vape popcorn lung".) I am absolutely aghast at some ignorant, half-truths repeated up and down this thread. People that fell for FUD and assume their historical memories are correct. People acting like a well-regulated mod is a, I quote, "pipe bomb". I swear, some folks act like because it's "drugs", there can't be objective information. Or are just so willing to be swept away with boogey man bullshit if it touches up against some societal "rule" built into them. And then the smugness of "well, duh, of course" based on an incomplete understanding of the situation. --- Bah humbug -- the real only answer that matters is -- buy an e-rig, have discipline, take baby dabs. Your money will literally go twice as far, zero risk of heavy metals, no bullshit additives if you're buying wax/live-resin, at least in Washington.
jrace 4y ago
The article is about how the cart itself is the potential issue, and none of the tests results take in to account real life - or potential (mis) use of the cart.
throwaway742 4y ago
I know some black market producers and they just fake the breakdowns. Local dispensaries have no qualms about buying these black market counterfeit carts. I have seen the backroom deals. Your trust is unfounded.
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  Legal dispensaries are not buying black market carts.
  - moistly 4y ago
    And grocery stores certainly aren’t buying fake olive oil, or selling garbagefish as fine fish, or buying cartel avocados, or fake honey, or… Never would a bar sell you a counterfeit whisky! And surely no one would sell fraudulent cancer medications! And your legal storefront couldn’t sell fake vape carts! The drug cartels would never participate in such schemes!
  - throwaway742 4y ago
    They 100% are at least in California more specifically LA and Orange counties. I have personally witnessed it.
    - whimsicalism 4y ago
      LA is full of illegal dispensaries. I have no doubt that they sell illegal carts. But actual regulated dispensaries are not, it would be too easy for them to get caught. During the last scandal around tainted vape carts, they did not trace a single one back to an actual dispensary, but did trace a number to illicit dispensaries in LA.
      - whimsicalism 4y ago
        It is worth noting though that LA has a staggering number of unlicensed/illegal dispensaries. This article puts 4 in 5 as illegal in LA area [0]. This is not true of NorCal. [0]: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/09/los-angeles-legalization-cannabis-criminalization-467572 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/09/los-angele...

by snarfy 4y ago

All of the cartridges I buy have a breakdown of THC, THCa, CBD, CBDa, and eight different turpenes. I trust their analysis and quality control more than most consumable products.

robonerd 4y ago

What is your basis for this trust? If it's a general faith in the good nature of other people, then I respect and envy that. But lacking that faith, I see a system where federal oversight is nonexistent and state oversight is probably some combination of incompetent or corrupt. If I had to guess, I think most companies in this industry are probably on the level. But a commercial incentive for doctoring lab reports clearly exists (even for independent labs) and at least a few companies have been busted for it. Federal legalization and FDA/USDA oversight can't come soon enough.

snarfy 4y ago
You seem to put a lot of trust in the federal and state governments. I trust their product because it is a highly competitive market and it is a premium product. If one cartridge says it's 77% and the next says it's 67%, you can tell when you vape it. People would just buy other products if they were inconsistent.
- ghostly_s 4y ago
  > If one cartridge says it's 77% and the next says it's 67%, you can tell when you vape it. Oh, please.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  This is downright silly -> there are numerous markets where consumers were getting duped for years before anyone found out. The market for cosmetics is highly competitive and yet it's full of counterfeit goods containing horse urine. This in particukar is very similar to original snake oil sales men. The consumers do not know the health effect or product purity untill many years down the line.
- denkmoon 4y ago
  Competition indicates nothing about trustworthiness when 100% of consumers are incapable of validating that trust.

droopyEyelids 4y ago

The article is about the cartridges themselves. They heat things with a metal heating element that can be damaged and release metal ions at operational temperatures.

ghostly_s 4y ago

The concerning element is not the marijuana extracts but the additives they are suspended in, which are generally unregulated and undisclosed (the cannibinoid analysis is there because it is legally mandated, and is the basis for tax assessment). Unfortunately, this recent Chicago Sun Times investigation[1] also demonstrated that even our very strict testing protocols in Illinois are apparently ineffective, with almost none of the tested products matching the lab results printed on the package. 1. https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/2021/12/10/22828340/legal-weed-testing-illinois-cannabis-regulation-mold-bacteria https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/2021/12/10/22828340/le...

denkmoon 4y ago
It's like everyone forgot the popcorn lung outbreak a few years ago.
- wowokay 4y ago
  I don’t hear about it anymore, and if anything usage has likely increased.
  - denkmoon 4y ago
    I think vape cart manufacturers removed Vitamin E from their suspension medium because of the negative publicity. I'm not aware of any regulation that resulted because of it, which would specifically prevent Vitamin E being added back into the mix at some point.
- majorpothead 4y ago
  Or, we were paying close attention and saw the rise of fake-branded carts absolutely exploding on social media right before popcorn lung cases hit the news. And for 3-4 weeks there were all these god damn stories and all these theories even here on HN. But many of us, watching the sidelines in /r/fakecarts or whatever the various subs are that I used to check in on, were reading countless stories of "friend drives these from Cali bro, but my friend had to go to the hospital". Over and over, right before they started hitting the national news. Oh, and by this time the cannabis forums were already abuzz trying to figure out what the "new" suspension liquid was. And worried that it was Mineral Oil or Vit E oil. Which, it was. And then there were 2-3 big fake cart producers busted in the Midwest, the new product was removed (never followed up to see if he was held liable) .... And just like that "popcorn lung" stories fell out of the news. Damn near immediately (I remember this hyper distinctively as I'd done months of research about everything concentrate/cart related before a large travel trip. Before I left I was watching fake carts explode. While traveling I was laughing as people were indicting pot, all carts, vapes in general. And then sure enough, a few arrests were made in the Midwest and I've literally never seen a noteworthy article about "vape popcorn lung".) I am absolutely aghast at some ignorant, half-truths repeated up and down this thread. People that fell for FUD and assume their historical memories are correct. People acting like a well-regulated mod is a, I quote, "pipe bomb". I swear, some folks act like because it's "drugs", there can't be objective information. Or are just so willing to be swept away with boogey man bullshit if it touches up against some societal "rule" built into them. And then the smugness of "well, duh, of course" based on an incomplete understanding of the situation. --- Bah humbug -- the real only answer that matters is -- buy an e-rig, have discipline, take baby dabs. Your money will literally go twice as far, zero risk of heavy metals, no bullshit additives if you're buying wax/live-resin, at least in Washington.

jrace 4y ago

The article is about how the cart itself is the potential issue, and none of the tests results take in to account real life - or potential (mis) use of the cart.

throwaway742 4y ago

I know some black market producers and they just fake the breakdowns. Local dispensaries have no qualms about buying these black market counterfeit carts. I have seen the backroom deals. Your trust is unfounded.

whimsicalism 4y ago
Legal dispensaries are not buying black market carts.
- moistly 4y ago
  And grocery stores certainly aren’t buying fake olive oil, or selling garbagefish as fine fish, or buying cartel avocados, or fake honey, or… Never would a bar sell you a counterfeit whisky! And surely no one would sell fraudulent cancer medications! And your legal storefront couldn’t sell fake vape carts! The drug cartels would never participate in such schemes!
- throwaway742 4y ago
  They 100% are at least in California more specifically LA and Orange counties. I have personally witnessed it.
  - whimsicalism 4y ago
    LA is full of illegal dispensaries. I have no doubt that they sell illegal carts. But actual regulated dispensaries are not, it would be too easy for them to get caught. During the last scandal around tainted vape carts, they did not trace a single one back to an actual dispensary, but did trace a number to illicit dispensaries in LA.
    - whimsicalism 4y ago
      It is worth noting though that LA has a staggering number of unlicensed/illegal dispensaries. This article puts 4 in 5 as illegal in LA area [0]. This is not true of NorCal. [0]: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/09/los-angeles-legalization-cannabis-criminalization-467572 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/09/los-angele...