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Still, none of this relates to MySQL. You can create a list of things you aren't happy about Oracle for. MySQL isn't one of them.

by rlpb 4y ago

b112 4y ago
Making it very difficult for people to manage deploying mysql, as well as making it hard for security researchers to audit change, and security updates, is a real problem. But that's oracle for you. Buy something, mismanage it, lose market share like crazy, the only plus is, it is amusing to watch them fumble about I guess. They basically bought something, then lost 99% of their market share. Essentially every linix distro dropped mysql. It is gone from redhat, gone from debian and all derivatives. Mariadb, Monty or not, was just a startup when all this happened. They literally handed Monty billions on value. Pathetic. Meanwhile, so many changes in MySQL weren't even from Oracle after they bought it. Loads of stuff came from Percona. Massive code for 5.6. Oracle makes Facebook look like a model citizen.
- rlpb 4y ago
  > Making it very difficult for people to manage deploying mysql... How so? You can download source "from upstream" https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/8.0.html?os=src https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/8.0.html?os=src or enable their apt repository from https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-apt-repo-quick-guide/en/ https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-apt-repo-quick-guide/en/. This is pretty much what every upstream does. > Essentially every linix distro dropped mysql. It is gone from redhat, gone from debian and all derivatives. False. It's available in Ubuntu in the usual way. "apt install mysql-server" is all you need. Most of Ubuntu builds against MySQL, not MariaDB. MariaDB is also available. As for the others, being removed from other distributions is hardly Oracle's doing. > Meanwhile, so many changes in MySQL weren't even from Oracle after they bought it. Loads of stuff came from Percona. Massive code for 5.6. I don't think this is true. For example, the replication in MySQL 8.0 is unique to MySQL. Many changes fix dubious design decisions from previous releases. Every release seems to be full of old ambigious or poorly engineered stuff being deprecated or removed. It seems to me that you dislike Oracle because of what they did with other products, and are mistakenly blaming Oracle for mistreating MySQL but can't actually point to any MySQL specifics here. Please don't make your argument circular. If you don't want to touch MySQL because of other things that Oracle have done, then that's your choice. But putting MySQL itself in the list of things that Oracle is doing wrong doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Still, none of this relates to MySQL. You can create a list of things you aren't happy about Oracle for. MySQL isn't one of them.

by rlpb 4y ago

Still, none of this relates to MySQL. You can create a list of things you aren't happy about Oracle for. MySQL isn't one of them.

b112 4y ago

Making it very difficult for people to manage deploying mysql, as well as making it hard for security researchers to audit change, and security updates, is a real problem. But that's oracle for you. Buy something, mismanage it, lose market share like crazy, the only plus is, it is amusing to watch them fumble about I guess. They basically bought something, then lost 99% of their market share. Essentially every linix distro dropped mysql. It is gone from redhat, gone from debian and all derivatives. Mariadb, Monty or not, was just a startup when all this happened. They literally handed Monty billions on value. Pathetic. Meanwhile, so many changes in MySQL weren't even from Oracle after they bought it. Loads of stuff came from Percona. Massive code for 5.6. Oracle makes Facebook look like a model citizen.

rlpb 4y ago
> Making it very difficult for people to manage deploying mysql... How so? You can download source "from upstream" https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/8.0.html?os=src https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/8.0.html?os=src or enable their apt repository from https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-apt-repo-quick-guide/en/ https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-apt-repo-quick-guide/en/. This is pretty much what every upstream does. > Essentially every linix distro dropped mysql. It is gone from redhat, gone from debian and all derivatives. False. It's available in Ubuntu in the usual way. "apt install mysql-server" is all you need. Most of Ubuntu builds against MySQL, not MariaDB. MariaDB is also available. As for the others, being removed from other distributions is hardly Oracle's doing. > Meanwhile, so many changes in MySQL weren't even from Oracle after they bought it. Loads of stuff came from Percona. Massive code for 5.6. I don't think this is true. For example, the replication in MySQL 8.0 is unique to MySQL. Many changes fix dubious design decisions from previous releases. Every release seems to be full of old ambigious or poorly engineered stuff being deprecated or removed. It seems to me that you dislike Oracle because of what they did with other products, and are mistakenly blaming Oracle for mistreating MySQL but can't actually point to any MySQL specifics here. Please don't make your argument circular. If you don't want to touch MySQL because of other things that Oracle have done, then that's your choice. But putting MySQL itself in the list of things that Oracle is doing wrong doesn't stand up to scrutiny.