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I didn't mention anything about oxalates and general kidney health or kidney disease, only kidney stones. I haven't seen a reason for avoiding oxalates unless y

I didn't mention anything about oxalates and general kidney health or kidney disease, only kidney stones. I haven't seen a reason for avoiding oxalates unless you're at risk for kidney stones, so I'm not sure what point you're making. > For stone prevention, a reasonable goal is below 100 mg of oxalate daily. An ideal would be about 50 mg daily if that can be accomplished. > POTATOES These are Trouble! I put them into their own separate group even though they are vegetables. > From french fries to baked potatoes they are very high oxalate items. https://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/how-to-eat-a-low-oxalate-diet/ https://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/how-to-eat-a-low-oxalate-d... To your question, yes. I drink tons of water and avoid salt as much as I can.

cheese_goddess 4y ago
My point is that people who avoid entire food groups, or foods that have one particular nutrient usually have very strange reasons to do so, that border on the metaphysical and are routinely misguided. Like the carnivore diet, or the various macrobiotic diets, for example. But strangely those weird diets never center around cutting salt out (and some of the meat-only diets are also deliberately heavy in fats). My intuition is that this is because salt is almost addictive, because it is so tastey, and it is very, very difficult to get people to reduce salt in their diet, despite the damage it can cause. Anyway it's still the case that none of my doctors or nurses have advised me to cut down on oxalate-heavy foods to avoid kidney stones, so I don't think you need to worry that much. If there is a risk, it's a risk only when considered at a population level and probably very low at an individual level. Not that it will harm you to eat fewer potatoes. They're mostly starch anyway and I think at this point everyone agrees that too much starch can be a problem (because gaining weight is all too easy even without excess starch).
- silicon2401 4y ago
  > Anyway it's still the case that none of my doctors or nurses have advised me to cut down on oxalate-heavy foods to avoid kidney stones, so I don't think you need to worry that much. If there is a risk, it's a risk only when considered at a population level and probably very low at an individual level. Again, are you a kidney _stone_ patient? The vast majority of people don't form kidney stones, so there's no reason to expect being told to avoid oxalates if you're not talking specifically about them. I have received explicit advice from my doctors to avoid oxalates in order to minimize kidney stones (ditto for people I've known) so I will continue to follow my doctor's advice rather than an internet stranger, no offense.
  - cheese_goddess 4y ago
    No offense and you shouldn't follow advice of internet strangers, but who gave you any advice in this thread? Also, you never said you are a kidney stone patient. Just to be clear, are you? Is that why you're staying away from potatoes? Because you didn't say you are and I figured you were avoiding potatoes as a precaution against developing kidney stones.
    - silicon2401 4y ago
      You wrote: > I don't think you need to worry that much. If there is a risk, it's a risk only when considered at a population level and probably very low at an individual level. If you want to be pedantic, then you didn't technically offer advice, just your opinion, in response to which I offered my opinion that your thoughts are irrelevant to me when I have direct advice from my doctor > you never said you are a kidney stone patient. Just to be clear, are you? As I stated, my doctor told me to avoid food high in oxalates, like potatoes, to avoid developing kidney stones. I try to spread the knowledge of oxalates and their impact on kidney stones because I only learned that information myself through others who shared with me. If you're not concerned about kidney stones, then that's great

cheese_goddess 4y ago

My point is that people who avoid entire food groups, or foods that have one particular nutrient usually have very strange reasons to do so, that border on the metaphysical and are routinely misguided. Like the carnivore diet, or the various macrobiotic diets, for example. But strangely those weird diets never center around cutting salt out (and some of the meat-only diets are also deliberately heavy in fats). My intuition is that this is because salt is almost addictive, because it is so tastey, and it is very, very difficult to get people to reduce salt in their diet, despite the damage it can cause. Anyway it's still the case that none of my doctors or nurses have advised me to cut down on oxalate-heavy foods to avoid kidney stones, so I don't think you need to worry that much. If there is a risk, it's a risk only when considered at a population level and probably very low at an individual level. Not that it will harm you to eat fewer potatoes. They're mostly starch anyway and I think at this point everyone agrees that too much starch can be a problem (because gaining weight is all too easy even without excess starch).

silicon2401 4y ago
> Anyway it's still the case that none of my doctors or nurses have advised me to cut down on oxalate-heavy foods to avoid kidney stones, so I don't think you need to worry that much. If there is a risk, it's a risk only when considered at a population level and probably very low at an individual level. Again, are you a kidney _stone_ patient? The vast majority of people don't form kidney stones, so there's no reason to expect being told to avoid oxalates if you're not talking specifically about them. I have received explicit advice from my doctors to avoid oxalates in order to minimize kidney stones (ditto for people I've known) so I will continue to follow my doctor's advice rather than an internet stranger, no offense.
- cheese_goddess 4y ago
  No offense and you shouldn't follow advice of internet strangers, but who gave you any advice in this thread? Also, you never said you are a kidney stone patient. Just to be clear, are you? Is that why you're staying away from potatoes? Because you didn't say you are and I figured you were avoiding potatoes as a precaution against developing kidney stones.
  - silicon2401 4y ago
    You wrote: > I don't think you need to worry that much. If there is a risk, it's a risk only when considered at a population level and probably very low at an individual level. If you want to be pedantic, then you didn't technically offer advice, just your opinion, in response to which I offered my opinion that your thoughts are irrelevant to me when I have direct advice from my doctor > you never said you are a kidney stone patient. Just to be clear, are you? As I stated, my doctor told me to avoid food high in oxalates, like potatoes, to avoid developing kidney stones. I try to spread the knowledge of oxalates and their impact on kidney stones because I only learned that information myself through others who shared with me. If you're not concerned about kidney stones, then that's great