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Sounds a lot of Kagi’s block/boost and their lenses features. I haven’t used either. Just pointing out prior art. https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-features https://b

Sounds a lot of Kagi’s block/boost and their lenses features. I haven’t used either. Just pointing out prior art. https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-features https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-features

buildbot 4y ago
Yeah seems like a copy of that feature
walterbell 4y ago
Are those search ranking preferences linked to your paid Kagi account identity?
pythux 4y ago
From what I can see the Lenses feature only allows to specify up to 10 domains? (Screenshot in the article linked above). If that’s the case I don’t see how Lenses and Goggles are comparable. Goggles allows to specify thousands of rules, not only on domain but also URL patterns and in the future matching on elements of the page as well (e.g. titles, etc.) It is also not clear that Lenses predates the Goggles whitepaper. We’ve been playing with the idea of Goggles for a long time. Disclaimer: I work at Brave.
solso 4y ago
Disclaimer: Works at Brave, before at Tailcat. Goggles white-paper was released more than a year ago, long before Kagi was even announced to the public. Additionally, before Brave acquired Tailcat (Jan 2021) I had the pleasure to share the draft of the paper with Kagi's founder. So no, there is no prior art. Let me add that I do not claim that Goggles is prior art of Lenses either. One of the key features of Goggles design is that the instructions, rules and filters are open and URL accessible. A Goggle is not so much a personal preference configuration, but a way to collaborative come up with shareable and expandable search re-rankers. Very different goals if you ask me. Of course, Goggles can be used for personal preferences exclusively, but that's not the use case we had in mind.
- freediver 4y ago
  Hello Josep ! (Kagi founder here) For a bit of historic accuracy if it ever matters for future readers: Kagi was founded in 2019 and we have operated for years in private beta with thousands of users before public beta release this June. Goggles were not inspired by Kagi”s lenses and I can confirm seeing the whitepaper before we got the lens feature out last year. Kagi”s Lenses were inspired by Blekko’s “slashtags” which is probably the original “prior art” for this kind of feature. Looks like we arrived to similar idea, but different execution. Kagi”s Lens feature is osimple to create filter for the web, that anyone can make with a few clicks plus a bunch of powerful built-in lenses like “noncommercial” or “discussions” search.
  - libraryatnight 4y ago
    I'm a paying Kagi user, it's a solid search engine and the lenses feature is excellent. Keep it up :)
    - eitland 4y ago
      I'm a paying Kagi user because doublequotes works, i.e. if I search for something using doublequotes around it, Kagi actually makes sure those words are in the page, and if it fails they create a bug report and fix it. It seems to be better in every other way too, but that is actually the single reason why I pay for it.
  - ColinHayhurst 4y ago
    We applaud all these innovations and are glad to see what is being done with Kagi Lenses and Brave Goggles. The Web ecosystem and users need innovations in search. Our own innovation in this domain go back to 2005 and was called Personal Search Engine. https://web.archive.org/web/20060220233451/http://www.mojeek.com/mps https://web.archive.org/web/20060220233451/http://www.mojeek... (first capture Feb 2006). We are currently bringing this back (in Beta). RollYo innovated too (private Beta August 2005). Google Custom Search launched in October 2006. So there were at least 3 services that predate Blekko (2010).
  - 4y ago
astonex 4y ago
It's not necessarily hard to come up with this independently. I hadn't heard of Kagi before until recently, and only just seen this Brave Goggle feature, but I had a very similar idea with my own search https://namusearch.com/ https://namusearch.com/ - Search using user defined url lists which can be publicly shared I think I initially had the idea by thinking about uBlock but for Search.

Sounds a lot of Kagi’s block/boost and their lenses features. I haven’t used either. Just pointing out prior art. https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-features https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-features

buildbot 4y ago

Yeah seems like a copy of that feature

walterbell 4y ago

Are those search ranking preferences linked to your paid Kagi account identity?

pythux 4y ago

From what I can see the Lenses feature only allows to specify up to 10 domains? (Screenshot in the article linked above). If that’s the case I don’t see how Lenses and Goggles are comparable. Goggles allows to specify thousands of rules, not only on domain but also URL patterns and in the future matching on elements of the page as well (e.g. titles, etc.) It is also not clear that Lenses predates the Goggles whitepaper. We’ve been playing with the idea of Goggles for a long time. Disclaimer: I work at Brave.

solso 4y ago

Disclaimer: Works at Brave, before at Tailcat. Goggles white-paper was released more than a year ago, long before Kagi was even announced to the public. Additionally, before Brave acquired Tailcat (Jan 2021) I had the pleasure to share the draft of the paper with Kagi's founder. So no, there is no prior art. Let me add that I do not claim that Goggles is prior art of Lenses either. One of the key features of Goggles design is that the instructions, rules and filters are open and URL accessible. A Goggle is not so much a personal preference configuration, but a way to collaborative come up with shareable and expandable search re-rankers. Very different goals if you ask me. Of course, Goggles can be used for personal preferences exclusively, but that's not the use case we had in mind.

freediver 4y ago
Hello Josep ! (Kagi founder here) For a bit of historic accuracy if it ever matters for future readers: Kagi was founded in 2019 and we have operated for years in private beta with thousands of users before public beta release this June. Goggles were not inspired by Kagi”s lenses and I can confirm seeing the whitepaper before we got the lens feature out last year. Kagi”s Lenses were inspired by Blekko’s “slashtags” which is probably the original “prior art” for this kind of feature. Looks like we arrived to similar idea, but different execution. Kagi”s Lens feature is osimple to create filter for the web, that anyone can make with a few clicks plus a bunch of powerful built-in lenses like “noncommercial” or “discussions” search.
- libraryatnight 4y ago
  I'm a paying Kagi user, it's a solid search engine and the lenses feature is excellent. Keep it up :)
  - eitland 4y ago
    I'm a paying Kagi user because doublequotes works, i.e. if I search for something using doublequotes around it, Kagi actually makes sure those words are in the page, and if it fails they create a bug report and fix it. It seems to be better in every other way too, but that is actually the single reason why I pay for it.
- ColinHayhurst 4y ago
  We applaud all these innovations and are glad to see what is being done with Kagi Lenses and Brave Goggles. The Web ecosystem and users need innovations in search. Our own innovation in this domain go back to 2005 and was called Personal Search Engine. https://web.archive.org/web/20060220233451/http://www.mojeek.com/mps https://web.archive.org/web/20060220233451/http://www.mojeek... (first capture Feb 2006). We are currently bringing this back (in Beta). RollYo innovated too (private Beta August 2005). Google Custom Search launched in October 2006. So there were at least 3 services that predate Blekko (2010).
- 4y ago

astonex 4y ago

It's not necessarily hard to come up with this independently. I hadn't heard of Kagi before until recently, and only just seen this Brave Goggle feature, but I had a very similar idea with my own search https://namusearch.com/ https://namusearch.com/ - Search using user defined url lists which can be publicly shared I think I initially had the idea by thinking about uBlock but for Search.