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How do you ban being fat without banning all foods? Banning smoking is easy, just ban sales of cigarettes. How would you even enforce banning being fat? Random

by teh64 4y ago

How do you ban being fat without banning all foods? Banning smoking is easy, just ban sales of cigarettes. How would you even enforce banning being fat? Random checks for weight? Everyone needs their weight checked periodically and if you are too fat you have to ...idk pay a fine or go to jail? That is some true dystopian stuff. Even just banning unhealthy food would not work, because there is a lot of healthy food that can cause people to being fat if they eat enough. I guess you could make some food stamp type program where you can only buy a set number of calories per week (i.e. WW2 style rationing), but that would be another very intrusive solution.

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wyre 4y ago
Eliminate the subsidizes that allows for processed and fast foods to be dirt-cheap and funnel those subsidies to whole foods. >there is a lot of healthy food that can cause people to being fat if they eat enough Okay, but unhealthy food is unhealthy because it is easy to eat large quantities of it. No one is getting fat because they are overeating fruits and veggies.
- teh64 4y ago
  Well look at what the worlds strongest man eats: https://www.businessinsider.com/brian-shaw-the-worlds-strongest-mans-daily-diet-has-12000-calories-2018-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/brian-shaw-the-worlds-strong... You would agree that that is mostly healthy food? And he is eating very large quantities of it. He is not fat, but people who do not do a lot of exercise could eat the same amount of food (or even half, he eats 12,000 calories a day) and gain quite a lot of weight. Also a diet needs more than fruits and vegetables to be healthy at all. I agree that there should be less focus on processed and fast foods, but that alone does not eliminate the problem of people eating a lot of food. I could eat a big mac and medium fries for every meal and not gain a lot of weight (3x big mac (563 calories) = 1689 calories + 3* fries (333 calories) = 2688 calories. Which is around the 2500 calorie range for an adult man. That would in no way be healthy, but I would not gain weight quickly.
  - wyre 4y ago
    What? The average person is not anything like Brian Shaw. The article also quickly points out eating that much is the hardest thing about his lifestyle. My brain can’t do these mental gymnastics to understand what you’re trying to say. I never said a diet of only fruits and veggies was healthy. It is significantly closer to being a healthy diet than the average American diet. Add nuts, seeds, legumes, and maybe some meat or starch and then it’s a healthy diet. The problem is processed foods are heavily subsidized and whole plant based foods are not. I bet if you ate a Big Mac and fries 3x a day, you’re going to be hungry all day too. Some foods are more satiating than others. Eliminating calorie dense foods that are not satiating is something that every healthy diet is going to do.
int_19h 4y ago
The simplest would be requiring all ready-to-eat food to have a certain proportion of fats & carbs, and no higher. And yeah, this is true dystopian stuff. But that is exactly where this line of thinking inevitably leads. Once you accept that costs of public healthcare are a valid reason to regulate lifestyle choices, practically nothing is off-limits.
barry-cotter 4y ago
You don’t need to ban it. Just punish it. Tax people based on some combination of BMI and body fat percentage, to compensate the body politic for them extra healthcare costs of their life choices.
- presentation 4y ago
  My Singaporean friend told me about a policy there that you get a (not huge) cash award from the government every year if you can pass a fitness test. It's not a ton of cash and he's well off, but nonetheless it's helped him motivate to stay super fit all the time. Sounds pretty good to me!

by teh64 4y ago

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wyre 4y ago

Eliminate the subsidizes that allows for processed and fast foods to be dirt-cheap and funnel those subsidies to whole foods. >there is a lot of healthy food that can cause people to being fat if they eat enough Okay, but unhealthy food is unhealthy because it is easy to eat large quantities of it. No one is getting fat because they are overeating fruits and veggies.

teh64 4y ago
Well look at what the worlds strongest man eats: https://www.businessinsider.com/brian-shaw-the-worlds-strongest-mans-daily-diet-has-12000-calories-2018-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/brian-shaw-the-worlds-strong... You would agree that that is mostly healthy food? And he is eating very large quantities of it. He is not fat, but people who do not do a lot of exercise could eat the same amount of food (or even half, he eats 12,000 calories a day) and gain quite a lot of weight. Also a diet needs more than fruits and vegetables to be healthy at all. I agree that there should be less focus on processed and fast foods, but that alone does not eliminate the problem of people eating a lot of food. I could eat a big mac and medium fries for every meal and not gain a lot of weight (3x big mac (563 calories) = 1689 calories + 3* fries (333 calories) = 2688 calories. Which is around the 2500 calorie range for an adult man. That would in no way be healthy, but I would not gain weight quickly.
- wyre 4y ago
  What? The average person is not anything like Brian Shaw. The article also quickly points out eating that much is the hardest thing about his lifestyle. My brain can’t do these mental gymnastics to understand what you’re trying to say. I never said a diet of only fruits and veggies was healthy. It is significantly closer to being a healthy diet than the average American diet. Add nuts, seeds, legumes, and maybe some meat or starch and then it’s a healthy diet. The problem is processed foods are heavily subsidized and whole plant based foods are not. I bet if you ate a Big Mac and fries 3x a day, you’re going to be hungry all day too. Some foods are more satiating than others. Eliminating calorie dense foods that are not satiating is something that every healthy diet is going to do.

int_19h 4y ago

The simplest would be requiring all ready-to-eat food to have a certain proportion of fats & carbs, and no higher. And yeah, this is true dystopian stuff. But that is exactly where this line of thinking inevitably leads. Once you accept that costs of public healthcare are a valid reason to regulate lifestyle choices, practically nothing is off-limits.

barry-cotter 4y ago

You don’t need to ban it. Just punish it. Tax people based on some combination of BMI and body fat percentage, to compensate the body politic for them extra healthcare costs of their life choices.

presentation 4y ago
My Singaporean friend told me about a policy there that you get a (not huge) cash award from the government every year if you can pass a fitness test. It's not a ton of cash and he's well off, but nonetheless it's helped him motivate to stay super fit all the time. Sounds pretty good to me!