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That popular revolutions rarely work in this day and age, especially when the majority of the participants don't know how to wield a gun? In the Colonial Era,

That popular revolutions rarely work in this day and age, especially when the majority of the participants don't know how to wield a gun? In the Colonial Era, every able-bodied New England male knew how to at least, hunt and shoot. Every successful "revolution" in the modern era has depended on whose side the Army was on. Why? Because the Army is composed of people who's sole purpose is to get good at using guns.

908B64B197 4y ago
Wait, then why are most modern western government trying to impose stricter gun control measures?
- Dracophoenix 4y ago
  They impose stricter measures In a heavily misguided attempt at trading rights for security. Suffice it to say it's not really an effective solution.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Assuming the person you were responding to is accurate, one reason would be to prevent a revolution that kicks those in power out.
- jhugo 4y ago
  Why would any government encourage its citizens to get better at revolution?
_-david-_ 4y ago
>That popular revolutions rarely work in this day and age I'm curious if you have any list of revolutions that have succeeded and failed. I can't really think of any in recent times. I don't think revolutions in Africa or the Middle East to be a good comparison and those are the only ones I can think of.
- Dracophoenix 4y ago
  Is there a reason that the Arab Spring isn't a good example?
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    There are a few reasons. 1. The culture is different. It may work, but I feel like Europeans are a bit more passive. As long as things aren't too bad they will let the status quo remain. 2. The Middle East / Africa had a lot of weapons that Europe doesn't. In some areas they had CIA training as well (albeit a few decades ago in some area). 3. Several of the Arab Spring required the West to get involved to aid in the overthrow. It is possible the CIA or others had to help in the others. There is no guarantee the West would be willing to get involved to oust Putin especially since he has nukes. Seeing how the West is mostly providing monetary aid and surveillance in Ukraine and not direct military support we could possibly see the same in Russia. 4. I think the Russian surveillance state is better than the Arab Spring countries. Might not make a huge impact, but it could stop things before it got started. I am curious, since I don't keep up with the Middle East a huge amount, how many of the countries are in a better state now then they were 10 years ago? Didn't ISIS take over part of Syria? Having a successful revolution doesn't mean anything if a worse government gets in power. Perhaps I'm just being cynical. I just don't think it is quite comparable.
    - jhugo 4y ago
      > Seeing how the West is mostly providing monetary aid and surveillance in Ukraine and not direct military support we could possibly see the same in Russia. Indeed, I'm sure Western support would be forthcoming if a movement gained traction — but the effective surveillance state and history of severe suppression make that exceedingly unlikely. The risk is enormous and the likelihood of success tiny.

908B64B197 4y ago

Wait, then why are most modern western government trying to impose stricter gun control measures?

Dracophoenix 4y ago
They impose stricter measures In a heavily misguided attempt at trading rights for security. Suffice it to say it's not really an effective solution.
_-david-_ 4y ago
Assuming the person you were responding to is accurate, one reason would be to prevent a revolution that kicks those in power out.
jhugo 4y ago
Why would any government encourage its citizens to get better at revolution?

_-david-_ 4y ago

>That popular revolutions rarely work in this day and age I'm curious if you have any list of revolutions that have succeeded and failed. I can't really think of any in recent times. I don't think revolutions in Africa or the Middle East to be a good comparison and those are the only ones I can think of.

Dracophoenix 4y ago
Is there a reason that the Arab Spring isn't a good example?
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  There are a few reasons. 1. The culture is different. It may work, but I feel like Europeans are a bit more passive. As long as things aren't too bad they will let the status quo remain. 2. The Middle East / Africa had a lot of weapons that Europe doesn't. In some areas they had CIA training as well (albeit a few decades ago in some area). 3. Several of the Arab Spring required the West to get involved to aid in the overthrow. It is possible the CIA or others had to help in the others. There is no guarantee the West would be willing to get involved to oust Putin especially since he has nukes. Seeing how the West is mostly providing monetary aid and surveillance in Ukraine and not direct military support we could possibly see the same in Russia. 4. I think the Russian surveillance state is better than the Arab Spring countries. Might not make a huge impact, but it could stop things before it got started. I am curious, since I don't keep up with the Middle East a huge amount, how many of the countries are in a better state now then they were 10 years ago? Didn't ISIS take over part of Syria? Having a successful revolution doesn't mean anything if a worse government gets in power. Perhaps I'm just being cynical. I just don't think it is quite comparable.
  - jhugo 4y ago
    > Seeing how the West is mostly providing monetary aid and surveillance in Ukraine and not direct military support we could possibly see the same in Russia. Indeed, I'm sure Western support would be forthcoming if a movement gained traction — but the effective surveillance state and history of severe suppression make that exceedingly unlikely. The risk is enormous and the likelihood of success tiny.