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So... about 160 qps? (Using the 5B queries annualized). Even if you multiply by 10 to account for a very high peak to average, that's sub-2000. I wish companie

by boulos 4y ago

So... about 160 qps? (Using the 5B queries annualized). Even if you multiply by 10 to account for a very high peak to average, that's sub-2000. I wish companies wouldn't try to make something seem big by using "billions". It took me billions of nanoseconds to write this comment...

dna_polymerase 4y ago
So what‘s your argument here? 160 search queries per second is very impressive. These aren‘t request to a stupid api, but users actually using a tool.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  I’m not sure why you think they’re making an argument - they aren’t claiming anything as far as I can tell
  - spiderice 4y ago
    How do you figure? They are making an argument that 2.5 billion searches isn't impressive, and Brave is framing it in "yearly searches" so they can use the word "billion" because it doesn't sound as impressive if you frame it in "searches per second".
    - endisneigh 4y ago
      Where did they say that 2.5 billion isn’t impressive?
- boulos 4y ago
  Sorry, I should have been more clear: I just dislike the use of "billions!!!" when what should be discussed is either qps (system load) or daily-active users (engagement). You could guesstimate DAU from qps by choosing a "queries per day" number (e.g., 10?) and assume the queries are done over just 8 hours. That's 1.25 queries per hour per user. Multiplying these terms out, you get ~500k DAU.
  - GoblinSlayer 4y ago
    Billions queries and 500k DAU indicate that the service is used, they communicate essentially the same information.
  - cato_the_elder 4y ago
    You probably aren't a fan of Carl Sagan then :-) [1] [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billions_and_Billions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billions_and_Billions
    - boulos 4y ago
      I am! That's billions of a metric that people would agree is "a lot" :). Billions of searches per year is just a weird metric that obscures what you'd actually want to know.
chiefalchemist 4y ago
This isn't about technology. It's about marketing. It's about finding / establishing a market beyond Google's stranglehold.
cato_the_elder 4y ago
To have something to compare the number with: DuckDuckGo's average seems to be around 1,100-1,200 qps. [1] For Google, it's estimated to be around 63,000 qps [2]. [1]: https://duckduckgo.com/traffic https://duckduckgo.com/traffic [2]: https://financialpost.com/personal-finance/business-essentials/google-averages-63000-search-queries-per-second-how-does-this-impact-you/ https://financialpost.com/personal-finance/business-essentia...
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Google said in their last Zeitgeist (2012) that they served 1.2 trillion search queries that year, and in the same year they reported $30 billion revenue from their own sites. In 2021 they reported $150 billion in "Search & other" revenue which is categorically similar. In real dollars that's a quadrupling of traffic, so you can conclude they might have served 4-5 trillion queries in 2021.

by boulos 4y ago

dna_polymerase 4y ago

So what‘s your argument here? 160 search queries per second is very impressive. These aren‘t request to a stupid api, but users actually using a tool.

endisneigh 4y ago
I’m not sure why you think they’re making an argument - they aren’t claiming anything as far as I can tell
- spiderice 4y ago
  How do you figure? They are making an argument that 2.5 billion searches isn't impressive, and Brave is framing it in "yearly searches" so they can use the word "billion" because it doesn't sound as impressive if you frame it in "searches per second".
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    Where did they say that 2.5 billion isn’t impressive?
boulos 4y ago
Sorry, I should have been more clear: I just dislike the use of "billions!!!" when what should be discussed is either qps (system load) or daily-active users (engagement). You could guesstimate DAU from qps by choosing a "queries per day" number (e.g., 10?) and assume the queries are done over just 8 hours. That's 1.25 queries per hour per user. Multiplying these terms out, you get ~500k DAU.
- GoblinSlayer 4y ago
  Billions queries and 500k DAU indicate that the service is used, they communicate essentially the same information.
- cato_the_elder 4y ago
  You probably aren't a fan of Carl Sagan then :-) [1] [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billions_and_Billions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billions_and_Billions
  - boulos 4y ago
    I am! That's billions of a metric that people would agree is "a lot" :). Billions of searches per year is just a weird metric that obscures what you'd actually want to know.

chiefalchemist 4y ago

This isn't about technology. It's about marketing. It's about finding / establishing a market beyond Google's stranglehold.

cato_the_elder 4y ago

To have something to compare the number with: DuckDuckGo's average seems to be around 1,100-1,200 qps. [1] For Google, it's estimated to be around 63,000 qps [2]. [1]: https://duckduckgo.com/traffic https://duckduckgo.com/traffic [2]: https://financialpost.com/personal-finance/business-essentials/google-averages-63000-search-queries-per-second-how-does-this-impact-you/ https://financialpost.com/personal-finance/business-essentia...

jeffbee 4y ago
Google said in their last Zeitgeist (2012) that they served 1.2 trillion search queries that year, and in the same year they reported $30 billion revenue from their own sites. In 2021 they reported $150 billion in "Search & other" revenue which is categorically similar. In real dollars that's a quadrupling of traffic, so you can conclude they might have served 4-5 trillion queries in 2021.