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Surprising for me: AWS's market share is still Azure + GCP combined amongst professional developers [1]. With various articles about Microsoft's success I was e

by ctvo 4y ago

Surprising for me: AWS's market share is still Azure + GCP combined amongst professional developers [1]. With various articles about Microsoft's success I was expecting lower. The same for loved / dreaded. AWS scores significantly better [2] in terms of loved over other cloud platforms. Being in the HN bubble I was expecting that to be lower also. The other items that scored high on loved / dreaded were mostly new technologies vs. dominant incumbents. 1 - https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technologies-platform-prof https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technolog... 2 - https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-platform-love-dread https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-loved-dreaded-and...

npalli 4y ago
Regarding Azure, it is quite possible the primary developers are corporate/in-house types and not big on responding to this particular survey. About 70,000 developers (in total) responded which is a small fraction of the developer universe.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 4y ago
  And I believe microsoft counts their SaaS offerings in their Azure usage, which significantly skews the numbers.
- swyx 4y ago
  always the same criticism with surveys. and yet this is one of the biggest surveys in the world. one has to try.
  - hackerfromthefu 4y ago
    Yes, and its quite likely correct. Possibly why it's often raised!
clumsysmurf 4y ago
As an Android developer since 2009, I will not touch anything from Google ever again. Its a very asymmetrical relationship, and if something goes wrong, like your account gets suspended, its a Kafkaesque nightmare, with usually no recourse.
- geek_at 4y ago
  same goes for other platforms too, you know. The only advantage for Android is that you can theoretically also just distribute via sideloading
  - clumsysmurf 4y ago
    Sideloading is neither here nor there. Its about ruining a developer's livelihood, you know... like your account gets suspended (for right or wrong reasons), and ability to earn income stops. Not just because you can't distribute your app on Play Store, but because your ability to work for another organization is blunted because your addition to their account places them at risk too.
    - fragmede 4y ago
      Can you explain further? It sounds like you're saying that if I work at company A, company A's Play store account gets banned, and then I go work at company B, that the Play store keeps track of this and then company B's account might get banned, just because I moved there.
      - clumsysmurf 4y ago
        There have been reports that if an individual's account has been banned, they can "poison" another company's account by being added to it. I have not heard of this happening across companies. https://www.androidpolice.com/google-terminate-personal-account-former-employee-violated-policies/ https://www.androidpolice.com/google-terminate-personal-acco...
        4y ago

by ctvo 4y ago

npalli 4y ago

Regarding Azure, it is quite possible the primary developers are corporate/in-house types and not big on responding to this particular survey. About 70,000 developers (in total) responded which is a small fraction of the developer universe.

isbvhodnvemrwvn 4y ago
And I believe microsoft counts their SaaS offerings in their Azure usage, which significantly skews the numbers.
swyx 4y ago
always the same criticism with surveys. and yet this is one of the biggest surveys in the world. one has to try.
- hackerfromthefu 4y ago
  Yes, and its quite likely correct. Possibly why it's often raised!

clumsysmurf 4y ago

As an Android developer since 2009, I will not touch anything from Google ever again. Its a very asymmetrical relationship, and if something goes wrong, like your account gets suspended, its a Kafkaesque nightmare, with usually no recourse.

geek_at 4y ago
same goes for other platforms too, you know. The only advantage for Android is that you can theoretically also just distribute via sideloading
- clumsysmurf 4y ago
  Sideloading is neither here nor there. Its about ruining a developer's livelihood, you know... like your account gets suspended (for right or wrong reasons), and ability to earn income stops. Not just because you can't distribute your app on Play Store, but because your ability to work for another organization is blunted because your addition to their account places them at risk too.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    Can you explain further? It sounds like you're saying that if I work at company A, company A's Play store account gets banned, and then I go work at company B, that the Play store keeps track of this and then company B's account might get banned, just because I moved there.
    - clumsysmurf 4y ago
      There have been reports that if an individual's account has been banned, they can "poison" another company's account by being added to it. I have not heard of this happening across companies. https://www.androidpolice.com/google-terminate-personal-account-former-employee-violated-policies/ https://www.androidpolice.com/google-terminate-personal-acco...
      - 4y ago