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Very untrue. Nicotine increases hardening of the arteries, increases blood pressure, and seems to contribute to other elements of artery disease.

by adamc 4y ago

nicotine_throw 4y ago
I'm an adult with moderate ADHD and use nicotine gum as my treatment. I've been on Concerta and Adderall and find the gum works just as well but with no side-effects at all. I also don't have to request a refill every 30 days and it's MUCH cheaper. I've never smoked a cigarette or vaped in my life. The dose required to alleviate my symptoms is so low (6~8mg a day) that addiction is basically non-existent. I don't take it on weekend unless I'm working and am totally fine. I get salty when people demonize nicotine, it's made my life tolerable.
- mysterydip 4y ago
  Can you go into some detail as to how nicotine improves your symptoms?
  - fhood 4y ago
    I can definitely see how there could be some overlap, although I've never actually had nicotine sober. Still, seems hard to believe it could be as effective for significant ADHD considering the standard suite of amphetamines is a bazooka by comparison. Still, the symptoms that get grouped together as ADHD are so diverse that I could see it helping people. Biggest issue is probably relative addictiveness, since after 15 years of adderall use I feel absolutely no desire to take it on weekends or vacation, and that's probably not totally the same for nicotine.
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    Not the op, but nicotine seems to reduce my tendency to be involuntarily distracted at random noises and other stimuli. However, I don't have a diagnosed ADHD (never bothered to, I have only very mild signs of it).
- unmole 4y ago
  > so low (6~8mg a day) That doesn't sound like a very low dose for a non-smoker? While addiction to gum is very unlikely, the probability of developing tolerance is high. How long have you been using this dosage?
  - tarentel 4y ago
    That's a pretty low dose for a daily basis. A single cigarette varies a lot on how much nicotine it has but on average it's around ~12mg and most smokers probably don't smoke a single cigarette a day so 6-8mg is quite low.
    - unmole 4y ago
      Sure, but smokers shouldn't be the baseline for what is healthy behaviour.
    - kragen 4y ago
      The absorbed dose from a cigarette is closer to 2mg, so 6–8mg is 3–4 cigarettes per day. That's an order of magnitude down from the dosage of heavy smokers, who smoke multiple packs (of 20 cigarettes) per day. But it's not the half-cigarette's worth you're suggesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine Nicotine patches are probably a less addictive option than gum, but gum itself is much less addictive than smoking.
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randombits0 4y ago
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-bad/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-b... Huh. Sauce?
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AlgorithmicTime 4y ago
>increases blood pressure So does caffeine.
- stefan_ 4y ago
  So does eating a meal. Digestion is quite the active process.
ilikehurdles 4y ago
Sounds like sugar
meowface 4y ago
There are potential risks to inhaling any gaseous substance, but in terms of the molecule itself, nicotine probably isn't riskier than caffeine. Nicotine patches are likely safe, for example. https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
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- KingOfCoders 4y ago
  Source? "I am best known for work on the darknet markets & Bitcoin , blinded self-experiments , dual n-back & spaced repetition , and anime neural networks ."
  - GoblinSlayer 4y ago
    In the post. >Another example is a breathless media article “Children Exposed to Nicotine in Utero Have Lower Reading Scores” on Cho et al 2012: here we can’t blame the media or Wikipedia editors because the paper itself (a longitudinal correlational study) has “nicotine” in its title and abstract (a total of 8 times), though the abstract quietly mentions it is actually a study of “maternal smoking”
  - meowface 4y ago
    Respectfully, he includes at least a hundred different sources in this post. Asking "Source?" when each claim he makes is accompanied with sources is a little confusing.
- Retric 4y ago
  I wouldn’t suggest nicotine is safe, but patches are likely safer than vaping excluding risks associated acute nicotine poisoning. The non nicotine components of vaping are also harmful. Smoke machines operating on similar principles are a known workplace safety hazard. It’s likely decades of inflammation from vaping would present it’s own unique hazards.
  - 4y ago

Very untrue. Nicotine increases hardening of the arteries, increases blood pressure, and seems to contribute to other elements of artery disease.

by adamc 4y ago

Very untrue. Nicotine increases hardening of the arteries, increases blood pressure, and seems to contribute to other elements of artery disease.

nicotine_throw 4y ago

I'm an adult with moderate ADHD and use nicotine gum as my treatment. I've been on Concerta and Adderall and find the gum works just as well but with no side-effects at all. I also don't have to request a refill every 30 days and it's MUCH cheaper. I've never smoked a cigarette or vaped in my life. The dose required to alleviate my symptoms is so low (6~8mg a day) that addiction is basically non-existent. I don't take it on weekend unless I'm working and am totally fine. I get salty when people demonize nicotine, it's made my life tolerable.

mysterydip 4y ago
Can you go into some detail as to how nicotine improves your symptoms?
- fhood 4y ago
  I can definitely see how there could be some overlap, although I've never actually had nicotine sober. Still, seems hard to believe it could be as effective for significant ADHD considering the standard suite of amphetamines is a bazooka by comparison. Still, the symptoms that get grouped together as ADHD are so diverse that I could see it helping people. Biggest issue is probably relative addictiveness, since after 15 years of adderall use I feel absolutely no desire to take it on weekends or vacation, and that's probably not totally the same for nicotine.
- throwaway290 4y ago
  Not the op, but nicotine seems to reduce my tendency to be involuntarily distracted at random noises and other stimuli. However, I don't have a diagnosed ADHD (never bothered to, I have only very mild signs of it).
unmole 4y ago
> so low (6~8mg a day) That doesn't sound like a very low dose for a non-smoker? While addiction to gum is very unlikely, the probability of developing tolerance is high. How long have you been using this dosage?
- tarentel 4y ago
  That's a pretty low dose for a daily basis. A single cigarette varies a lot on how much nicotine it has but on average it's around ~12mg and most smokers probably don't smoke a single cigarette a day so 6-8mg is quite low.
  - unmole 4y ago
    Sure, but smokers shouldn't be the baseline for what is healthy behaviour.
  - kragen 4y ago
    The absorbed dose from a cigarette is closer to 2mg, so 6–8mg is 3–4 cigarettes per day. That's an order of magnitude down from the dosage of heavy smokers, who smoke multiple packs (of 20 cigarettes) per day. But it's not the half-cigarette's worth you're suggesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine Nicotine patches are probably a less addictive option than gum, but gum itself is much less addictive than smoking.
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randombits0 4y ago

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-bad/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-b... Huh. Sauce?

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AlgorithmicTime 4y ago

>increases blood pressure So does caffeine.

stefan_ 4y ago
So does eating a meal. Digestion is quite the active process.

ilikehurdles 4y ago

Sounds like sugar

meowface 4y ago

There are potential risks to inhaling any gaseous substance, but in terms of the molecule itself, nicotine probably isn't riskier than caffeine. Nicotine patches are likely safe, for example. https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

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KingOfCoders 4y ago
Source? "I am best known for work on the darknet markets & Bitcoin , blinded self-experiments , dual n-back & spaced repetition , and anime neural networks ."
- GoblinSlayer 4y ago
  In the post. >Another example is a breathless media article “Children Exposed to Nicotine in Utero Have Lower Reading Scores” on Cho et al 2012: here we can’t blame the media or Wikipedia editors because the paper itself (a longitudinal correlational study) has “nicotine” in its title and abstract (a total of 8 times), though the abstract quietly mentions it is actually a study of “maternal smoking”
- meowface 4y ago
  Respectfully, he includes at least a hundred different sources in this post. Asking "Source?" when each claim he makes is accompanied with sources is a little confusing.
Retric 4y ago
I wouldn’t suggest nicotine is safe, but patches are likely safer than vaping excluding risks associated acute nicotine poisoning. The non nicotine components of vaping are also harmful. Smoke machines operating on similar principles are a known workplace safety hazard. It’s likely decades of inflammation from vaping would present it’s own unique hazards.
- 4y ago