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The idea that a flavor like bubble gum is ~only~ attractive to minors seems wildly off-the-mark to me. Adults enjoy bubble gum, and also enjoy flavors that are

The idea that a flavor like bubble gum is ~only~ attractive to minors seems wildly off-the-mark to me. Adults enjoy bubble gum, and also enjoy flavors that are not tobacco-like. I've never paid attention to Juul marketing, so perhaps they were committing faux pas in their targeting, but the existence of a bubble gum (or other enjoyable flavors) should probably not meet the threshold as readily as we allow it.

jcranberry 4y ago
It's consistent with the FDAs current stance to also ban menthol cigarettes.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  Yes... hypocritical in almost every way. They should just ban cigarettes and alcohol and caffeine and sugar.
kvetching 4y ago
100% I am an old man and all I vape is bubble gum juice
chrisseaton 4y ago
‘Bubble gum flavour’ is just a less common variant of mint. We have some of it growing in our garden - wintergreen. There’s nothing inherently childish about mint.
- zwily 4y ago
  I've had lots of mint gum, but not sure I've ever had a mint bubble gum.
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- CharlesW 4y ago
  > ‘Bubble gum flavour’ is just a less common variant of mint. "Bubble gum" flavor is a combination of fruity flavors. No mint. https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/what-is-bubblegum-flavor https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/what-is-bubblegum-flavo... > People think it’s a made-up flavour but it isn’t. It is a made-up flavor, originally created by Thomas Adams.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > No mint. Other sources disagree. https://candyflavor.com/How_To_Make_Bubble_Gum_Flavor.html https://candyflavor.com/How_To_Make_Bubble_Gum_Flavor.html > the key is really in the wintergreen, cinnamon and clove
    - CharlesW 4y ago
      Interesting, I've never tasted a minty bubblegum flavor. I have had "bubblemint" flavored gum, which tastes quite different to me.
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        It’s mint botanically but it doesn’t taste of mint gastronomically. It tastes a bit of bubblegum!
        CharlesW 4y ago
        Oh, wow! TIL
    - oasisbob 4y ago
      Lest people be misled, the full recipe as listed: > 3 parts banana flavor, 3 parts pineapple flavor, 2 parts wintergreen, 1 part cinnamon and 1 part clove.
bitcurious 4y ago
>Adults enjoy bubble gum, and also enjoy flavors that are not tobacco-like. If the public benefit is that current tobacco-smokers will switch, then the experience only needs to be better than cigarettes - broad appeal beyond that is only a net negative for society.
- unloco 4y ago
  How is it a net negative for society that some people enjoy something?
  - mistermann 4y ago
    Smoking, and thus e-cigarettes, seems to have become a culture war issue. The plausible post-hoc rationalized reason that people didn't like cigarettes is because they are extremey unhealthy - now that the topic of discussion is e-cigarettes, which have little evidence of being significantly unhealthy, and people still seem to despise them suggests that there is something much more interesting going on sub-perceptually.
    - robocat 4y ago
      Wild theory: perhaps some people for their own reasons don’t like being around people vaping. I put up with it like I accept that people fart. Being around “vape smoke’ is something between discomfort and disgust (smell, smoke, etcetera), Ugggh. Yes: I have close friends that vape. No: I don’t complain to them or make faces or anything. Even if I were hypothetically shown it was a purely nonsensical psychological dislike, that doesn’t mean I could stop disliking it.
      - mistermann 4y ago
        > Even if I were hypothetically shown it was a purely nonsensical psychological dislike, that doesn’t mean I could stop disliking it. I think there is great value in considering this possibility, and all others. The problem I am trying to get at is that people have a tendency to not be terribly interested in what is true.
tcmart14 4y ago
Yea, the flavor thing is weird to me too. When I was in the Navy, a lot of the people I worked with swapped over to vaping and even 45 year old Senior Chiefs were vaping some dragon fruit passion shit.
TillE 4y ago
Exactly, it's so weird to see people talk about fruit flavors as if they're designed to appeal to children. I'd say most of the vape liquids on the market in Germany have some kind of sweet flavor, because guess what, adults like them.
- i_am_jl 4y ago
  Not to mention commercial availability of flavorings. Juice companies, for the most part, are just throwing together vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, and a couple of commercially available food/candy flavorings. People love to bring up the "Adult flavors" argument like it's as simple as deciding to make juice that tastes like coffee, like they've forgotten that some companies have trouble producing coffee that tastes like coffee.
- autoexec 4y ago
  Some of the criticism against Juul were that they marketed directly to kids because their ads used colors. That's it. Colors. I abhor the tobacco industry. I wish their execs had been thrown behind bars decades ago. They've proven that they'll put profit over human life and that they're willing to lie to our faces while they do it. They've earned all the skepticism and scrutiny they get, but I can't get over how baseless and absurd that argument against them was. Ads with colors and young adults in them aren't targeting children. There is plenty of evil to point at without getting ridiculous.

jcranberry 4y ago

It's consistent with the FDAs current stance to also ban menthol cigarettes.

encryptluks2 4y ago
Yes... hypocritical in almost every way. They should just ban cigarettes and alcohol and caffeine and sugar.

kvetching 4y ago

100% I am an old man and all I vape is bubble gum juice

chrisseaton 4y ago

‘Bubble gum flavour’ is just a less common variant of mint. We have some of it growing in our garden - wintergreen. There’s nothing inherently childish about mint.

zwily 4y ago
I've had lots of mint gum, but not sure I've ever had a mint bubble gum.
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CharlesW 4y ago
> ‘Bubble gum flavour’ is just a less common variant of mint. "Bubble gum" flavor is a combination of fruity flavors. No mint. https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/what-is-bubblegum-flavor https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/what-is-bubblegum-flavo... > People think it’s a made-up flavour but it isn’t. It is a made-up flavor, originally created by Thomas Adams.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > No mint. Other sources disagree. https://candyflavor.com/How_To_Make_Bubble_Gum_Flavor.html https://candyflavor.com/How_To_Make_Bubble_Gum_Flavor.html > the key is really in the wintergreen, cinnamon and clove
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    Interesting, I've never tasted a minty bubblegum flavor. I have had "bubblemint" flavored gum, which tastes quite different to me.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      It’s mint botanically but it doesn’t taste of mint gastronomically. It tastes a bit of bubblegum!
      - CharlesW 4y ago
        Oh, wow! TIL
  - oasisbob 4y ago
    Lest people be misled, the full recipe as listed: > 3 parts banana flavor, 3 parts pineapple flavor, 2 parts wintergreen, 1 part cinnamon and 1 part clove.

bitcurious 4y ago

>Adults enjoy bubble gum, and also enjoy flavors that are not tobacco-like. If the public benefit is that current tobacco-smokers will switch, then the experience only needs to be better than cigarettes - broad appeal beyond that is only a net negative for society.

unloco 4y ago
How is it a net negative for society that some people enjoy something?
- mistermann 4y ago
  Smoking, and thus e-cigarettes, seems to have become a culture war issue. The plausible post-hoc rationalized reason that people didn't like cigarettes is because they are extremey unhealthy - now that the topic of discussion is e-cigarettes, which have little evidence of being significantly unhealthy, and people still seem to despise them suggests that there is something much more interesting going on sub-perceptually.
  - robocat 4y ago
    Wild theory: perhaps some people for their own reasons don’t like being around people vaping. I put up with it like I accept that people fart. Being around “vape smoke’ is something between discomfort and disgust (smell, smoke, etcetera), Ugggh. Yes: I have close friends that vape. No: I don’t complain to them or make faces or anything. Even if I were hypothetically shown it was a purely nonsensical psychological dislike, that doesn’t mean I could stop disliking it.
    - mistermann 4y ago
      > Even if I were hypothetically shown it was a purely nonsensical psychological dislike, that doesn’t mean I could stop disliking it. I think there is great value in considering this possibility, and all others. The problem I am trying to get at is that people have a tendency to not be terribly interested in what is true.

tcmart14 4y ago

Yea, the flavor thing is weird to me too. When I was in the Navy, a lot of the people I worked with swapped over to vaping and even 45 year old Senior Chiefs were vaping some dragon fruit passion shit.

TillE 4y ago

Exactly, it's so weird to see people talk about fruit flavors as if they're designed to appeal to children. I'd say most of the vape liquids on the market in Germany have some kind of sweet flavor, because guess what, adults like them.

i_am_jl 4y ago
Not to mention commercial availability of flavorings. Juice companies, for the most part, are just throwing together vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, and a couple of commercially available food/candy flavorings. People love to bring up the "Adult flavors" argument like it's as simple as deciding to make juice that tastes like coffee, like they've forgotten that some companies have trouble producing coffee that tastes like coffee.
autoexec 4y ago
Some of the criticism against Juul were that they marketed directly to kids because their ads used colors. That's it. Colors. I abhor the tobacco industry. I wish their execs had been thrown behind bars decades ago. They've proven that they'll put profit over human life and that they're willing to lie to our faces while they do it. They've earned all the skepticism and scrutiny they get, but I can't get over how baseless and absurd that argument against them was. Ads with colors and young adults in them aren't targeting children. There is plenty of evil to point at without getting ridiculous.