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>E-cigarettes are not better than not smoking anything Technically true but there's barely any health risks from vaped nicotine. The number of serious injurie

by treis 4y ago

>E-cigarettes are not better than not smoking anything Technically true but there's barely any health risks from vaped nicotine. The number of serious injuries are in the low thousands (total, not per year) and are mostly associated with THC vapes of questionable origin.

KingOfCoders 4y ago
"barely any health risks from vaped nicotine." Heard that for a century from tobacco companies. I guess we will see after 50 years of vaping.
- Workaccount2 4y ago
  Inhaling combusted plant matter is worlds different than inhaling a nicotine/glycol aerosol.
  - FireBeyond 4y ago
    "The potential hazards of chronic inhalation of propylene glycol or the latter substance as a whole are as-yet unknown." What possible harm could come from chronically inhaling a viscous agent into our lungs?
    - samatman 4y ago
      You mean the one asthmatics have been safely inhaling for sixty years? These are asthmatics, reminder. If propylene glycol was a problem for lungs, we would know.
      - FireBeyond 4y ago
        Which medications? Ventolin does not use propylene glycol: https://www.drugs.com/pro/ventolin.html https://www.drugs.com/pro/ventolin.html Airomir did not. Maxair? Nope: https://www.drugs.com/pro/maxair-autohaler.html https://www.drugs.com/pro/maxair-autohaler.html Even pro-vape sites recognize that this is BS. > There is one study looking at the potential to use PG as a carrier for an inhaled medicine (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18158714 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18158714) and another which mentions that PG or ethanol may be used as a cosolvent (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12425745 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12425745) in nebulizers, but no evidence presented of an asthma inhaler or nebulizer that is actually used today containing PG. There's also a huge difference between 3-4 puffs a day of a smaller amount, than chronic hundreds of puffs a day with vapes.
        samatman 4y ago
        Not which medications, which device: nebulizers. They routinely use propylene glycol: you're wrong, I'm right. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12425745/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12425745/ Severe asthmatics will be on a nebulizer five or ten minutes at a time, several times a day. Far higher volume than the most committed vaper.
adamc 4y ago
Very untrue. Nicotine increases hardening of the arteries, increases blood pressure, and seems to contribute to other elements of artery disease.
- nicotine_throw 4y ago
  I'm an adult with moderate ADHD and use nicotine gum as my treatment. I've been on Concerta and Adderall and find the gum works just as well but with no side-effects at all. I also don't have to request a refill every 30 days and it's MUCH cheaper. I've never smoked a cigarette or vaped in my life. The dose required to alleviate my symptoms is so low (6~8mg a day) that addiction is basically non-existent. I don't take it on weekend unless I'm working and am totally fine. I get salty when people demonize nicotine, it's made my life tolerable.
  - mysterydip 4y ago
    Can you go into some detail as to how nicotine improves your symptoms?
    - fhood 4y ago
      I can definitely see how there could be some overlap, although I've never actually had nicotine sober. Still, seems hard to believe it could be as effective for significant ADHD considering the standard suite of amphetamines is a bazooka by comparison. Still, the symptoms that get grouped together as ADHD are so diverse that I could see it helping people. Biggest issue is probably relative addictiveness, since after 15 years of adderall use I feel absolutely no desire to take it on weekends or vacation, and that's probably not totally the same for nicotine.
    - throwaway290 4y ago
      Not the op, but nicotine seems to reduce my tendency to be involuntarily distracted at random noises and other stimuli. However, I don't have a diagnosed ADHD (never bothered to, I have only very mild signs of it).
  - 4y ago

by treis 4y ago

KingOfCoders 4y ago

"barely any health risks from vaped nicotine." Heard that for a century from tobacco companies. I guess we will see after 50 years of vaping.

Workaccount2 4y ago
Inhaling combusted plant matter is worlds different than inhaling a nicotine/glycol aerosol.
- FireBeyond 4y ago
  "The potential hazards of chronic inhalation of propylene glycol or the latter substance as a whole are as-yet unknown." What possible harm could come from chronically inhaling a viscous agent into our lungs?
  - samatman 4y ago
    You mean the one asthmatics have been safely inhaling for sixty years? These are asthmatics, reminder. If propylene glycol was a problem for lungs, we would know.
    - FireBeyond 4y ago
      Which medications? Ventolin does not use propylene glycol: https://www.drugs.com/pro/ventolin.html https://www.drugs.com/pro/ventolin.html Airomir did not. Maxair? Nope: https://www.drugs.com/pro/maxair-autohaler.html https://www.drugs.com/pro/maxair-autohaler.html Even pro-vape sites recognize that this is BS. > There is one study looking at the potential to use PG as a carrier for an inhaled medicine (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18158714 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18158714) and another which mentions that PG or ethanol may be used as a cosolvent (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12425745 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12425745) in nebulizers, but no evidence presented of an asthma inhaler or nebulizer that is actually used today containing PG. There's also a huge difference between 3-4 puffs a day of a smaller amount, than chronic hundreds of puffs a day with vapes.
      - samatman 4y ago
        Not which medications, which device: nebulizers. They routinely use propylene glycol: you're wrong, I'm right. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12425745/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12425745/ Severe asthmatics will be on a nebulizer five or ten minutes at a time, several times a day. Far higher volume than the most committed vaper.

adamc 4y ago

Very untrue. Nicotine increases hardening of the arteries, increases blood pressure, and seems to contribute to other elements of artery disease.

nicotine_throw 4y ago
I'm an adult with moderate ADHD and use nicotine gum as my treatment. I've been on Concerta and Adderall and find the gum works just as well but with no side-effects at all. I also don't have to request a refill every 30 days and it's MUCH cheaper. I've never smoked a cigarette or vaped in my life. The dose required to alleviate my symptoms is so low (6~8mg a day) that addiction is basically non-existent. I don't take it on weekend unless I'm working and am totally fine. I get salty when people demonize nicotine, it's made my life tolerable.
- mysterydip 4y ago
  Can you go into some detail as to how nicotine improves your symptoms?
  - fhood 4y ago
    I can definitely see how there could be some overlap, although I've never actually had nicotine sober. Still, seems hard to believe it could be as effective for significant ADHD considering the standard suite of amphetamines is a bazooka by comparison. Still, the symptoms that get grouped together as ADHD are so diverse that I could see it helping people. Biggest issue is probably relative addictiveness, since after 15 years of adderall use I feel absolutely no desire to take it on weekends or vacation, and that's probably not totally the same for nicotine.
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    Not the op, but nicotine seems to reduce my tendency to be involuntarily distracted at random noises and other stimuli. However, I don't have a diagnosed ADHD (never bothered to, I have only very mild signs of it).
- 4y ago