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They're very good (I initially said wonderful but I want to be clear that you shouldn't use these products unless you smoke combustible cigarettes because they'

by pclark 4y ago

They're very good (I initially said wonderful but I want to be clear that you shouldn't use these products unless you smoke combustible cigarettes because they're comically addictive) products because underage people do not want to use them! There is some regulatory nuance I believe that makes them harder to buy than regular vaping products but I forget what it is — a simple fact though is that the social aspect of smoking breaks, smoking at bars, the habit of smoking is a huge draw and it's hard to replicate that with gum. The best product to solve the nicotine crisis is a smart device that gradually lowers the nicotine invisibly to the user over a 3-6-12 month period. This isn't a super hard problem, the FDA and the market is just too non technical to execute.

Zak 4y ago
> a smart device that gradually lowers the nicotine invisibly to the user People who want to taper off nicotine using vapes can do this manually, and many do. I find this proposed solution overengineered. Of course it could be enforced. "Smart" vapes could be regulated as medical devices, available only by prescription and used under the supervision of doctors. I think that would greatly reduce their appeal as a smoking replacement with a low barrier to entry though; other nicotine delivery systems to aid in quitting smoking were available decades before vaping.
- throw10920 4y ago
  > I find this proposed solution overengineered. Is it, though? The psychology of knowing vs not knowing that your nicotine concentration is being ramped down over time could be significant. For instance, I can easily imagine being far more willing to vape more on a hard day of work because "my nicotine is being ramped down anyway, so it's not as bad".
pessimizer 4y ago
> The best product to solve the nicotine crisis is a smart device that gradually lowers the nicotine invisibly to the user over a 3-6-12 month period. We already had that in Swedish snus and Obama chose to tax it to death to help the domestic tobacco industry out. Not only is snus not dangerous, but you can quit by just leaving the sachet in your mouth for longer and longer periods. That's how I quit, and I haven't had a cigarette in 11 years or a snus in 8. The problem with medicalized nicotine gums, etc. is their absurdly high pricing.
- Nullabillity 4y ago
  Anecdotally, most snus users here in Sweden seem to be chronic abusers (taking it at a consistent or increasing rate with no plans to phase it out). It also has the same flavouring problem as vapes (anecdotal paraphrasing from a friend: "I could never smoke but I use Snus because I think it tastes nice").

by pclark 4y ago

Zak 4y ago

> a smart device that gradually lowers the nicotine invisibly to the user People who want to taper off nicotine using vapes can do this manually, and many do. I find this proposed solution overengineered. Of course it could be enforced. "Smart" vapes could be regulated as medical devices, available only by prescription and used under the supervision of doctors. I think that would greatly reduce their appeal as a smoking replacement with a low barrier to entry though; other nicotine delivery systems to aid in quitting smoking were available decades before vaping.

throw10920 4y ago
> I find this proposed solution overengineered. Is it, though? The psychology of knowing vs not knowing that your nicotine concentration is being ramped down over time could be significant. For instance, I can easily imagine being far more willing to vape more on a hard day of work because "my nicotine is being ramped down anyway, so it's not as bad".

pessimizer 4y ago

> The best product to solve the nicotine crisis is a smart device that gradually lowers the nicotine invisibly to the user over a 3-6-12 month period. We already had that in Swedish snus and Obama chose to tax it to death to help the domestic tobacco industry out. Not only is snus not dangerous, but you can quit by just leaving the sachet in your mouth for longer and longer periods. That's how I quit, and I haven't had a cigarette in 11 years or a snus in 8. The problem with medicalized nicotine gums, etc. is their absurdly high pricing.

Nullabillity 4y ago
Anecdotally, most snus users here in Sweden seem to be chronic abusers (taking it at a consistent or increasing rate with no plans to phase it out). It also has the same flavouring problem as vapes (anecdotal paraphrasing from a friend: "I could never smoke but I use Snus because I think it tastes nice").