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Your point about liberal values shared by the rest of you is nice, but does not jive with reality to be honest. It's funny how many US and EU-based apologists
by throwaway290 4y ago
Your point about liberal values shared by the rest of you is nice, but does not jive with reality to be honest.
It's funny how many US and EU-based apologists of the invasion (blaming NATO for the war, etc.) I encounter and have to enter flamewars with to condemn kleptocracy and defend democracy. Their position is not shared by me or any of my Russian friends, but there we are.
As to your point regarding creating a Github clone in Russia, I'm fairly sure it's in line with Putin's agenda.
- the_biot 4y agoHave you managed to convince anyone of your point of view by entering into a flame war with them?
- throwaway290 4y agoIt's hard to know for sure, but I hope over time it helps. The trickiest part is that many of them seem to have given up on their governments and doubt democracy, so I have to remind them that even imperfect democracy is still better than an unchecked kleptocratic dictatorship. They also argue about US being a much more prolific warmonger historically, but that's more or less besides the point.
- the_biot 4y agoIndeed it is, and it's a commonly used conversation-stopper: whataboutism never solves anything. But my question was rhetorical: you can't convince anyone by flaming them. Personally I believe in calmly stating facts, with thorough analysis and logic, and lots of empathy for the other person's point of view.
- darthrupert 4y agoPsychological and sociological results seem to disagree wildly with what you said there.
- throwaway290 4y agoMaybe flamewar wasn't the right term. The mediums where those conversations take place are meme-rich and generally flamey, but I don't think it prevents me from stating facts.