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Let me get this straight: the FDA is banning e-cigarettes but not actual cigarettes? What a bunch of clowns.

by fosk 4y ago

dilap 4y ago
They're proposing removing most of the nicotine from real cigarettes, too. I haven't consumed any nicotine in quite some time, but I find the whole thing very obnoxious. (Smoking is a sin, but a pleasure. I'd like the freedom to navigate that choice myself, thank you very much.)
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- 0des 4y ago
  Europe has about half the nicotine of american cigarettes and maybe double the smokers. That makes no sense to me.
- sbcd 4y ago
  >They're proposing removing most of the nicotine from real cigarettes, too. This must have been imagined by people who have no understanding of drugs whatsoever. Lessening the content of nicotine is likely to make people smoke -more-, I'd wager, inhaling more tar/cancer inducing substances in the process. When the first e-cigs hit the market, most of the commonly found ones were things like the Joyetech eGo and eliquids that were frankly, unable to provide the necessary amount of nicotine to truly replace cigarettes. I found myself using the device far more than I smoked cigarettes, although it's probably still not as bad. A few studies proved that it's not just in the mind, people who vaped with those devices didn't have much nicotine in their bloodstream. Modern e-cigarettes with high power delivery, or low power combined with nicotine salts, satisfy me much faster and I don't feel a craving all day like I did with the eGo. Removing the nicotine but keeping the cancer stick has to be one of the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life. Absolutely insanity, this is just going to make people burn more cancer sticks to satisfy their craving.
dragonwriter 4y ago
FDA is going after particular e-cigarettes. But also current combustible tobacco products. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-announces-plans-proposed-rule-reduce-addictiveness-cigarettes-and-other-combusted-tobacco https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-anno...
- yonaguska 4y ago
  So now your nicotine addict needs to smoke even more cigarettes for the same effect. Interesting choice by the FDA.
  - sudosysgen 4y ago
    Unless the point is to eventually remove nicotine altogether.
    - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
      The started goal is to help people taper off cigarettes entirely, which I don't believe will work, and I'm not sure the FDA believes it either. The actual point is to nudge people away from inhaling raw carcinogens (actual real smoke) directly into their lungs, and nudge them toward the still-potent e-cigarettes and vapes, which have way less cancer risk.
  - ufo 4y ago
    It's something that they are taking into account. According to the studies the FDA is basing their decision on, the smokers smoked more initially but that effect only lasted 1-2 weeks.
shadowgovt 4y ago
No; they're banning Juul and not Vuse. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-fda-order-juul-e-cigarettes-off-market-wsj-2022-06-22/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-fda-order-juul-e-cigaret... The issue isn't e-cigs in general (though, to be clear in terms of health risks: if you aren't smoking anything now, avoid smoking both). It's that Juul was such a trash-fire that even acquisition by one of the biggest FDA-compliance-factories in the United States didn't convince the FDA that the fire was out.
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Let me get this straight: the FDA is banning e-cigarettes but not actual cigarettes? What a bunch of clowns.

by fosk 4y ago

Let me get this straight: the FDA is banning e-cigarettes but not actual cigarettes? What a bunch of clowns.

They're proposing removing most of the nicotine from real cigarettes, too. I haven't consumed any nicotine in quite some time, but I find the whole thing very obnoxious. (Smoking is a sin, but a pleasure. I'd like the freedom to navigate that choice myself, thank you very much.)

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0des 4y ago
Europe has about half the nicotine of american cigarettes and maybe double the smokers. That makes no sense to me.
sbcd 4y ago
>They're proposing removing most of the nicotine from real cigarettes, too. This must have been imagined by people who have no understanding of drugs whatsoever. Lessening the content of nicotine is likely to make people smoke -more-, I'd wager, inhaling more tar/cancer inducing substances in the process. When the first e-cigs hit the market, most of the commonly found ones were things like the Joyetech eGo and eliquids that were frankly, unable to provide the necessary amount of nicotine to truly replace cigarettes. I found myself using the device far more than I smoked cigarettes, although it's probably still not as bad. A few studies proved that it's not just in the mind, people who vaped with those devices didn't have much nicotine in their bloodstream. Modern e-cigarettes with high power delivery, or low power combined with nicotine salts, satisfy me much faster and I don't feel a craving all day like I did with the eGo. Removing the nicotine but keeping the cancer stick has to be one of the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life. Absolutely insanity, this is just going to make people burn more cancer sticks to satisfy their craving.

dragonwriter 4y ago

FDA is going after particular e-cigarettes. But also current combustible tobacco products. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-announces-plans-proposed-rule-reduce-addictiveness-cigarettes-and-other-combusted-tobacco https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-anno...

yonaguska 4y ago
So now your nicotine addict needs to smoke even more cigarettes for the same effect. Interesting choice by the FDA.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  Unless the point is to eventually remove nicotine altogether.
  - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
    The started goal is to help people taper off cigarettes entirely, which I don't believe will work, and I'm not sure the FDA believes it either. The actual point is to nudge people away from inhaling raw carcinogens (actual real smoke) directly into their lungs, and nudge them toward the still-potent e-cigarettes and vapes, which have way less cancer risk.
- ufo 4y ago
  It's something that they are taking into account. According to the studies the FDA is basing their decision on, the smokers smoked more initially but that effect only lasted 1-2 weeks.

shadowgovt 4y ago

No; they're banning Juul and not Vuse. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-fda-order-juul-e-cigarettes-off-market-wsj-2022-06-22/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-fda-order-juul-e-cigaret... The issue isn't e-cigs in general (though, to be clear in terms of health risks: if you aren't smoking anything now, avoid smoking both). It's that Juul was such a trash-fire that even acquisition by one of the biggest FDA-compliance-factories in the United States didn't convince the FDA that the fire was out.

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