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> Why can't we fill our bellies with food that doesn't involve exploiting and killing other sentient animals? Nah, you're moving the goal posts just to get a c

> Why can't we fill our bellies with food that doesn't involve exploiting and killing other sentient animals? Nah, you're moving the goal posts just to get a chance to say your little propaganda slogan. What I asked was: "I don't get why you have to eat fake food when you're vegan? ". You want to talk about that? Because that's what I want to know. You don't want to eat meat? OK. You don't want to eat dairy? Then don't! But you want to eat fake cheese and fake meat? I mean, still, it's none of my business what you eat, knock yourself out. But, why? Fake is fake. It should be obvious why it's ... fake? > So are you calling hundreds of climate scientist dishonest? No, I'm calling you and other internet vegans dishonest, because you're using environmental issues as a cover to promote your vegan agenda. Btw, "hundreds of climate scientists" don't say we should all go vegan to save the environment, like vegans like to pretend. The IPCC report you linked doesn't say anything like that. Environmental activists don't even say anything like that. What environmental scientists say is that a shift is needed towards a plant based diet. That is the kind of diet I eat: 2/3s plants and 1/3 animal foods (dairy, meat, seafood, etc). But vegans like you are trying really hard to fudge the meaning of "plant-based" to make it synonymous with "vegan". And it's obvious why you're doing it: now all the environmental scientists who say a shift to a plant-based diet is needed are suddendly advocating for veganism! That is the dishonesty I'm talking about. It's the same kind of dishonesty and the same kind of social engineering tactic as calling nut paste "cheese". Well, your silly little games aren't paying off. Meat consumption keeps increasing. CAFOs keep getting built. Animals keep getting tortured. Scores of people sign up for Veganuary and go back to devouring burgers and sausages as soon as they have. Instagram is full of fashionable vegans and yet the vast majority of the population are not even vegetarian, not even flexitarian. Dishonesty doesn't work. You can't have your cake and eat it. Either you tell people the truth, and nothing but the truth, and you hope they can do the right thing, or you keep lying and they keep ignoring you as extreme fanatical zealots.

uxcolumbo 4y ago
It's not fake. It's just an alternative that doesn't involve killing animals. For example, beyond burgers or impossible burgers, helps meat eaters who want to reduce their environmental footprint, transition to a more plant-based diet. Or say you want to have spaghetti bolognese - instead of using minced animal meat you use an plant-based alternative which is better. And most people don't notice a difference these days. Or say chicken nuggets - the plant based alternative - pretty amazing and in blind tests most people couldn't tell. Food science is pretty amazing these days. So what's wrong with that? I personally don't need those products, as I don't have a craving for meat or dairy. But I have them some times. But others do crave it, but they don't want to support factory farms - so these plant-based alternative products help. And what is vegan propaganda? All veganism does is promote a life style that's free from cruelty as much as possible. What is wrong with reducing cruelty and environmental destruction?
- cheese_goddess 4y ago
  > Or say chicken nuggets - the plant based alternative - pretty amazing and in blind tests most people couldn't tell. Because chicken nuggets are shit food and they don't even taste like chicken anyway. That's because they're made with pink slurry, bits of chicken mechanically separated from bones and chemically treated until they're transformed into a vile, noxious paste, the lowest-grade meat that is allowed for human consumption. That's why they're so cheap. Here, this is how chicken nuggets are made: https://youtu.be/kS3kmulj20M?t=621 https://youtu.be/kS3kmulj20M?t=621 And here's a little close up: https://youtu.be/kS3kmulj20M?t=654 https://youtu.be/kS3kmulj20M?t=654 Aaw. Isn't food science amazing these days? That's what your vegan nuggets replace. And they do a great job at it! Because they're equally shit. Fake food replacing fake food for people who don't know what real food tastes like anymore. That is the dystopian reality we live in, but for vegans it's paradise. > And what is vegan propaganda? Oh, well, for example lying about the role of meat production in environmental destruction and trying to get people to believe it's farming that's destroying the environment rather than buring fossil fuels. That's propaganda, and it's dangerous propaganda from people who care not a shit about the environment and only care about meat meat meat.
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    > Oh, well, for example lying about the role of meat production in environmental destruction Again, are you saying that Oxford Uni, IPCC, UN and many other credible organizations are lying? > transformed into a vile, noxious paste, the lowest-grade meat that is allowed for human consumption. Have you ever watched how actual chicken nuggets are produced? Have you ever watched what goes on in the meat & dairy industry? You can find out more here: http://www.nationearth.com/ http://www.nationearth.com/ In the meat industry you have disgusting pink slime. See https://www.livescience.com/33786-pink-slime.html https://www.livescience.com/33786-pink-slime.html
    - cheese_goddess 4y ago
      > Again, are you saying that Oxford Uni, IPCC, UN and many other credible organizations are lying? No, I'm saying they're not saying what you're saying they're saying. > Have you ever watched how actual chicken nuggets are produced? Yep. That's what I linked you to, above. How chicken nuggets are made. Read my earlier comment again: > That's what your vegan nuggets replace. And they do a great job at it! Because they're equally shit. Get it? Oh, wait, you think because I don't want to eat your fake nuggets, that can only mean I want to eat the chicken ones? Black and white thinking, typical of fanatics with little understanding of the world beyond their gurus' teachings.

uxcolumbo 4y ago

It's not fake. It's just an alternative that doesn't involve killing animals. For example, beyond burgers or impossible burgers, helps meat eaters who want to reduce their environmental footprint, transition to a more plant-based diet. Or say you want to have spaghetti bolognese - instead of using minced animal meat you use an plant-based alternative which is better. And most people don't notice a difference these days. Or say chicken nuggets - the plant based alternative - pretty amazing and in blind tests most people couldn't tell. Food science is pretty amazing these days. So what's wrong with that? I personally don't need those products, as I don't have a craving for meat or dairy. But I have them some times. But others do crave it, but they don't want to support factory farms - so these plant-based alternative products help. And what is vegan propaganda? All veganism does is promote a life style that's free from cruelty as much as possible. What is wrong with reducing cruelty and environmental destruction?

cheese_goddess 4y ago
> Or say chicken nuggets - the plant based alternative - pretty amazing and in blind tests most people couldn't tell. Because chicken nuggets are shit food and they don't even taste like chicken anyway. That's because they're made with pink slurry, bits of chicken mechanically separated from bones and chemically treated until they're transformed into a vile, noxious paste, the lowest-grade meat that is allowed for human consumption. That's why they're so cheap. Here, this is how chicken nuggets are made: https://youtu.be/kS3kmulj20M?t=621 https://youtu.be/kS3kmulj20M?t=621 And here's a little close up: https://youtu.be/kS3kmulj20M?t=654 https://youtu.be/kS3kmulj20M?t=654 Aaw. Isn't food science amazing these days? That's what your vegan nuggets replace. And they do a great job at it! Because they're equally shit. Fake food replacing fake food for people who don't know what real food tastes like anymore. That is the dystopian reality we live in, but for vegans it's paradise. > And what is vegan propaganda? Oh, well, for example lying about the role of meat production in environmental destruction and trying to get people to believe it's farming that's destroying the environment rather than buring fossil fuels. That's propaganda, and it's dangerous propaganda from people who care not a shit about the environment and only care about meat meat meat.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  > Oh, well, for example lying about the role of meat production in environmental destruction Again, are you saying that Oxford Uni, IPCC, UN and many other credible organizations are lying? > transformed into a vile, noxious paste, the lowest-grade meat that is allowed for human consumption. Have you ever watched how actual chicken nuggets are produced? Have you ever watched what goes on in the meat & dairy industry? You can find out more here: http://www.nationearth.com/ http://www.nationearth.com/ In the meat industry you have disgusting pink slime. See https://www.livescience.com/33786-pink-slime.html https://www.livescience.com/33786-pink-slime.html
  - cheese_goddess 4y ago
    > Again, are you saying that Oxford Uni, IPCC, UN and many other credible organizations are lying? No, I'm saying they're not saying what you're saying they're saying. > Have you ever watched how actual chicken nuggets are produced? Yep. That's what I linked you to, above. How chicken nuggets are made. Read my earlier comment again: > That's what your vegan nuggets replace. And they do a great job at it! Because they're equally shit. Get it? Oh, wait, you think because I don't want to eat your fake nuggets, that can only mean I want to eat the chicken ones? Black and white thinking, typical of fanatics with little understanding of the world beyond their gurus' teachings.