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My reading of their rules is that you don’t need to become a citizen. You need to have a government issued ID from the country you reside in. That seems rather

by dahdum 4y ago

My reading of their rules is that you don’t need to become a citizen. You need to have a government issued ID from the country you reside in. That seems rather simple if you are a legal resident, at least for any Western country.

biztos 4y ago
In 13+ years of legal residence in Germany, I was never issued an ID. I assume if a Russian citizen were in the same boat, the residence permit affixed to their passport would suffice, but it's not an ID card. AFAIK, no EU country will issue a proper ID card (valid throughout the EU) to non-citizens. In Spain at least you get a special foreigners' ID card that's more or less equal within Spain. In Germany the most you can hope for is your residence permit in card form, but I was not so lucky.
- drakonka 4y ago
  > AFAIK, no EU country will issue a proper ID card (valid throughout the EU) to non-citizens. In Spain at least you get a special foreigners' ID card that's more or less equal within Spain. In Germany the most you can hope for is your residence permit in card form, but I was not so lucky. One of the first things I had to do upon arrival in Sweden was go to Migrationsverket to get my "Uppehållstillståndskort": a residence card. It has your residence status on it. I also had to get a Skatteverket "Identitetskort". Both of these have been accepted as valid identification documents both within and outside of Sweden, I've had to provide scans of one or the other numerous times.
  - biztos 4y ago
    Hmm, I would be really curious to see what happens when a foreigner with an Identitetskort leaves the EU. Maybe those countries that accept an EU ID would also accept that? I'm not sure about this but I think the German residence card, if you have one, is "ID" enough for a lot of things inside Germany, but there are still cases when you have to use your passport. I know at least one person who drives around with her residence permit and her driving license, but doesn't carry her passport regularly.
    - drakonka 4y ago
      I usually carry my passport as well (though now I also have a national ID card which I think can take its place within the EU while traveling). But I don't think that being able to travel with the thing is a requirement for it to be acceptable as an "additional photo ID" for the kinds of validation we're talking about here. Even if I can't travel with my Skatteverket or residence permit cards, they have been regularly accepted as ID verification for services based outside of Sweden. They've been sufficient when it comes to showing that I do indeed have the relevant Swedish identification documents and reside here. I think once, possibly for E-trade, this was coupled with having to provide a bill sent to my Swedish address. But that shouldn't really be a big issue either for anyone actually residing in another country.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
  > AFAIK, no EU country will issue a proper ID card (valid throughout the EU) to non-citizens. You can find specimens of residency permit cards (for non-EU citizens) here, which are typically sufficient ID to open a bank account: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/en/search-by-document-country.html https://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/en/search-by-document-...
- ratg13 4y ago
  I can 100% assure you that every EU country issues both residence cards and drivers licenses to non-citizens.
- throwaway290 4y ago
  Yeah, I can obtain an official residence confirmation in current country, sufficient to e.g. open a bank account and such, and I don't think it is the same as a "photo ID" (edit: as in, I still use my Russian passport to identify myself in routine life here). To think that a couple of months ago I was hoping businesses wouldn't target Russians based on passport as an extra mile in enacting sanctions. Now the only options increasingly are seeking asylum or transferring my existing customers and moving to Russia to seek work there.
- SenHeng 4y ago
  What about drivers licenses? Surely they issue those to foreigners and it should be considered a valid form of government ID?
  - biztos 4y ago
    Europeans who drive normally carry their national ID card, and their driver's license. This is enough to drive out of, and back into, the EU across some borders.
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    Oh. I don't drive but it might be a possibility. Thanks for the pointer!
    - aukaost 4y ago
      German drivers licenses do not serve as government IDs. Only found that out when I was told I don't need a new license after changing my last name.
- easytiger 4y ago
  Where did you come from then? Presumably an EU country?

by dahdum 4y ago

biztos 4y ago

In 13+ years of legal residence in Germany, I was never issued an ID. I assume if a Russian citizen were in the same boat, the residence permit affixed to their passport would suffice, but it's not an ID card. AFAIK, no EU country will issue a proper ID card (valid throughout the EU) to non-citizens. In Spain at least you get a special foreigners' ID card that's more or less equal within Spain. In Germany the most you can hope for is your residence permit in card form, but I was not so lucky.

drakonka 4y ago
> AFAIK, no EU country will issue a proper ID card (valid throughout the EU) to non-citizens. In Spain at least you get a special foreigners' ID card that's more or less equal within Spain. In Germany the most you can hope for is your residence permit in card form, but I was not so lucky. One of the first things I had to do upon arrival in Sweden was go to Migrationsverket to get my "Uppehållstillståndskort": a residence card. It has your residence status on it. I also had to get a Skatteverket "Identitetskort". Both of these have been accepted as valid identification documents both within and outside of Sweden, I've had to provide scans of one or the other numerous times.
- biztos 4y ago
  Hmm, I would be really curious to see what happens when a foreigner with an Identitetskort leaves the EU. Maybe those countries that accept an EU ID would also accept that? I'm not sure about this but I think the German residence card, if you have one, is "ID" enough for a lot of things inside Germany, but there are still cases when you have to use your passport. I know at least one person who drives around with her residence permit and her driving license, but doesn't carry her passport regularly.
  - drakonka 4y ago
    I usually carry my passport as well (though now I also have a national ID card which I think can take its place within the EU while traveling). But I don't think that being able to travel with the thing is a requirement for it to be acceptable as an "additional photo ID" for the kinds of validation we're talking about here. Even if I can't travel with my Skatteverket or residence permit cards, they have been regularly accepted as ID verification for services based outside of Sweden. They've been sufficient when it comes to showing that I do indeed have the relevant Swedish identification documents and reside here. I think once, possibly for E-trade, this was coupled with having to provide a bill sent to my Swedish address. But that shouldn't really be a big issue either for anyone actually residing in another country.
ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
> AFAIK, no EU country will issue a proper ID card (valid throughout the EU) to non-citizens. You can find specimens of residency permit cards (for non-EU citizens) here, which are typically sufficient ID to open a bank account: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/en/search-by-document-country.html https://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/en/search-by-document-...
ratg13 4y ago
I can 100% assure you that every EU country issues both residence cards and drivers licenses to non-citizens.
throwaway290 4y ago
Yeah, I can obtain an official residence confirmation in current country, sufficient to e.g. open a bank account and such, and I don't think it is the same as a "photo ID" (edit: as in, I still use my Russian passport to identify myself in routine life here). To think that a couple of months ago I was hoping businesses wouldn't target Russians based on passport as an extra mile in enacting sanctions. Now the only options increasingly are seeking asylum or transferring my existing customers and moving to Russia to seek work there.
SenHeng 4y ago
What about drivers licenses? Surely they issue those to foreigners and it should be considered a valid form of government ID?
- biztos 4y ago
  Europeans who drive normally carry their national ID card, and their driver's license. This is enough to drive out of, and back into, the EU across some borders.
- throwaway290 4y ago
  Oh. I don't drive but it might be a possibility. Thanks for the pointer!
  - aukaost 4y ago
    German drivers licenses do not serve as government IDs. Only found that out when I was told I don't need a new license after changing my last name.
easytiger 4y ago
Where did you come from then? Presumably an EU country?