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That's the facts and of course the comment is getting down voted. People want to talk about their beliefs and feelings without having to know what this stuff l

That's the facts and of course the comment is getting down voted. People want to talk about their beliefs and feelings without having to know what this stuff looks like in real life. The abstraction makes it all palatable. This might seem like a good idea abstractly, but it means more pimps can make more money and they aren't good folks.

rofo1 4y ago
Why don't people start off with their own sons and daughters, I wonder? I want to see the man here that wants to give his daughter to the world, to be used by all kinds of men for some cash. I've got a hard trouble believing any well adjusted, sane man (or woman) will have no problems with it. Doesn't matter what adjective we use ("you are not progressive enough"). Nobody cares. Well, these "sex workers" are someone's daughter, too. I wish I could grasp just how much % of people exist that actually believe this insanity that is rampant in 2020's. Is it a case of a loud minority, or (majority of) people really believe this is how life should be lived?
PickledHotdog 4y ago
Nice feelings you have there. Why can't we legalise sex work and cut a lot of pimps out of the equation? Maintain a "ban" on street walking, but allow brothels and escorting. What is prostitution anyway? A coal miner sells his body in similar ways to a prostitute. Why can't we legalise drugs and cut cartels and gangs out of the equation? Personal use amounts, manufactured and taxed like other drugs (alcohol, cigarettes etc) Why can't we legalise abortion and cut backyard operators out of the equation? Why should your moral stances take precedence over the safety of others? You can't legislate behaviours away. They're going to happen. We've been taking drugs for 10s of 1000s of years. We've been trading our bodies for benefits for at least a few thousand. These actions are largely harmless. Let's realise that making them illegal is a large part of what makes them dangerous.
- fritztastic 4y ago
  I was about to write something similar, but your comment did so much more eloquently than anything I'd be capable of producing. My ultimate viewpoint is that criminalization makes criminals and a lot of people want sex workers and drug users (there are others, of course) to be considered criminals and be treated as such. I don't see the societal benefit of this, as it just leads to illicit systems taking place that serve to exploit people. Sex work isn't harmful, but sex trafficking and abuse are- there is definitely a way to allow people to participate in sex work with dignity and protection from exploitation- and criminalizing sex work only contributes to forcing people into situations where they operate in shady unregulated realms where the control rests with organized crime instead of giving that control to the sex workers themselves. Because they can't operate legitimately, and the status of criminalization comes with stigma and marginalization that further create more issues rather than solving any issues. People will buy sex and people will sell sex, they have been doing so since time immemorial regardless of the law- so IMO the priority should be in making sex work safe, focusing LE and CJ systems toward human trafficking, exploitation, abuse, and slavery instead.
- upsidesinclude 4y ago
  The only 'feelings' I may have represented is that pimps are bad people. You are abstracting and failing to see that there are abusers and manipulators in the world. 'Cut it out', yeah, no kidding. It's just that easy too

rofo1 4y ago

Why don't people start off with their own sons and daughters, I wonder? I want to see the man here that wants to give his daughter to the world, to be used by all kinds of men for some cash. I've got a hard trouble believing any well adjusted, sane man (or woman) will have no problems with it. Doesn't matter what adjective we use ("you are not progressive enough"). Nobody cares. Well, these "sex workers" are someone's daughter, too. I wish I could grasp just how much % of people exist that actually believe this insanity that is rampant in 2020's. Is it a case of a loud minority, or (majority of) people really believe this is how life should be lived?

PickledHotdog 4y ago

Nice feelings you have there. Why can't we legalise sex work and cut a lot of pimps out of the equation? Maintain a "ban" on street walking, but allow brothels and escorting. What is prostitution anyway? A coal miner sells his body in similar ways to a prostitute. Why can't we legalise drugs and cut cartels and gangs out of the equation? Personal use amounts, manufactured and taxed like other drugs (alcohol, cigarettes etc) Why can't we legalise abortion and cut backyard operators out of the equation? Why should your moral stances take precedence over the safety of others? You can't legislate behaviours away. They're going to happen. We've been taking drugs for 10s of 1000s of years. We've been trading our bodies for benefits for at least a few thousand. These actions are largely harmless. Let's realise that making them illegal is a large part of what makes them dangerous.

fritztastic 4y ago
I was about to write something similar, but your comment did so much more eloquently than anything I'd be capable of producing. My ultimate viewpoint is that criminalization makes criminals and a lot of people want sex workers and drug users (there are others, of course) to be considered criminals and be treated as such. I don't see the societal benefit of this, as it just leads to illicit systems taking place that serve to exploit people. Sex work isn't harmful, but sex trafficking and abuse are- there is definitely a way to allow people to participate in sex work with dignity and protection from exploitation- and criminalizing sex work only contributes to forcing people into situations where they operate in shady unregulated realms where the control rests with organized crime instead of giving that control to the sex workers themselves. Because they can't operate legitimately, and the status of criminalization comes with stigma and marginalization that further create more issues rather than solving any issues. People will buy sex and people will sell sex, they have been doing so since time immemorial regardless of the law- so IMO the priority should be in making sex work safe, focusing LE and CJ systems toward human trafficking, exploitation, abuse, and slavery instead.
upsidesinclude 4y ago
The only 'feelings' I may have represented is that pimps are bad people. You are abstracting and failing to see that there are abusers and manipulators in the world. 'Cut it out', yeah, no kidding. It's just that easy too