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Yes, I've been wanting something that's just a rich document but designed around accessibility with no styles or JavaScript.

fbanon 4y ago
Yes, but we need to ensure that it stays JavaScript-free rich document format. We would need to ensure that it's impossible for bad (and rich!) actors to introduce their Turing-complete tracking machinery into this new document format when it becomes popular.
jgilias 4y ago
For what it's worth, there's Gemini. You can't really call it rich document though, as styling is left to the user consuming the content.
- bobajeff 4y ago
  Well I don't want styling just document structure/description (eg. H1-8, Title, EM, P, IMG, Author, Article, Forum-Post, Search-Result) and yes I want images too so Gemini goes way too far my uses.
  - postalrat 4y ago
    Images complicate the accessible requirement.
    - bobajeff 4y ago
      True, it's still worth doing though. That's one of the reasons for alt, longdesc, and aria-describedby attributes.
      - postalrat 4y ago
        What image formats will be support? Plain old 256 color uncompressed bitmaps? Why leave an existing protocol and easy accessibility just for a few images.
        bobajeff 4y ago
        I'm not sure I know how to explain it. Images just seem a basic part of content. I just don't think it's acceptable to have to open up an external application to view images in a document. Any way I'm not against image galleries and video sites either. I just want control over how I consume those. If I want the page read to me it should be possible. If I want to consume it on a tiny 2x2" e-ink display that should be doable.
  - hiccuphippo 4y ago
    Yes, I'd really like an HTML subset without CSS or Javascript.
postalrat 4y ago
You want gopher. Most people don't. If what you really want is to change what other people want you will stay disappointed.
- bobajeff 4y ago
  I don't think that's really true. People want content and they will put up with some sites to get it but if things like Readability and Ublock Origin has shown us anything there's a need for something with more user control over it.
bazoom42 4y ago
Html?

fbanon 4y ago

Yes, but we need to ensure that it stays JavaScript-free rich document format. We would need to ensure that it's impossible for bad (and rich!) actors to introduce their Turing-complete tracking machinery into this new document format when it becomes popular.

jgilias 4y ago

For what it's worth, there's Gemini. You can't really call it rich document though, as styling is left to the user consuming the content.

bobajeff 4y ago
Well I don't want styling just document structure/description (eg. H1-8, Title, EM, P, IMG, Author, Article, Forum-Post, Search-Result) and yes I want images too so Gemini goes way too far my uses.
- postalrat 4y ago
  Images complicate the accessible requirement.
  - bobajeff 4y ago
    True, it's still worth doing though. That's one of the reasons for alt, longdesc, and aria-describedby attributes.
    - postalrat 4y ago
      What image formats will be support? Plain old 256 color uncompressed bitmaps? Why leave an existing protocol and easy accessibility just for a few images.
      - bobajeff 4y ago
        I'm not sure I know how to explain it. Images just seem a basic part of content. I just don't think it's acceptable to have to open up an external application to view images in a document. Any way I'm not against image galleries and video sites either. I just want control over how I consume those. If I want the page read to me it should be possible. If I want to consume it on a tiny 2x2" e-ink display that should be doable.
- hiccuphippo 4y ago
  Yes, I'd really like an HTML subset without CSS or Javascript.

postalrat 4y ago

You want gopher. Most people don't. If what you really want is to change what other people want you will stay disappointed.

bobajeff 4y ago
I don't think that's really true. People want content and they will put up with some sites to get it but if things like Readability and Ublock Origin has shown us anything there's a need for something with more user control over it.

bazoom42 4y ago

Html?