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> Firefox is responsible for such a low percentage it's sad (the stats I have for the sites I work on it's usually on the 1-2% range). I think it's mainly becau

> Firefox is responsible for such a low percentage it's sad (the stats I have for the sites I work on it's usually on the 1-2% range). I think it's mainly because of the horrible leadership at Mozilla. I want to use Firefox and promote it but every time I think they've changed Mozilla does something new that boils my blood. This is repeated ad nauseum on this site and needs to be called out. The Mozilla management may be rather self serving but Firefox is a fine browser and more than viable alternative to Chrome. The reason they're losing market share is because Chrome is bundled everywhere as default, not just Android, but often as part of desktop Windows too, by OEM. And now Edge, which is Chromium under the skin, is the default on MS Windows. So Firefox is used only by those who specifically seek it out, which means just a small portion of the tech community.

dr-detroit 4y ago
ecmascript 4y ago
Yes but before the tech community was all fire for Firefox. IT-guys installed it on work computers, school computers etc. We would recommend it to our families and install it for our less techy family when they would need our assistance. Firefox had the IT-sector with them. I think this does a lot for spreading the usage. Even just one IT-guy can probably give Firefox hundreds of users. Now, this is no longer the case and increasingly they have not only just been just as good or worse than chromium but they have gone out and actively angered a lot of their core user base with political things. It is a fine browser, I haven't said anything else. It is the leadership that is bad. I would definitely be one of their strongest promoters if Brendan Eich were CEO. But no, they kicked him out for a bs reason and employed a PC-dictator that fires most of the company and gives herself a promotion even though the usage is falling drastically. Then they post shit like this: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... https://book.mozillafestival.org/10-years-of-activism-community-and-collaboration/queering-mozfest-challenging-expectations-of-normal https://book.mozillafestival.org/10-years-of-activism-commun... and fund people like: https://www.mozillapulse.org/profile/3116 https://www.mozillapulse.org/profile/3116 If you consistently support specific political views it's not strange that the people who do not support these views will stop seeking them out and start recommending other browsers, how good Firefox may be doesn't really matter. They have turned Mozilla from a tech company to an activist company and now they will have to reap what they have sowed.
- TremendousJudge 4y ago
  All this talk about Mozilla's political views, what about the political views of the Google leadership? Why do they get a free pass? I think blaming the politics is a just-so story. I saw everyone adopt Chrome over the years since it came out, and it had nothing to do with the leadership of the Mozilla foundation, or Google for that matter. What happened is much simpler: Chrome worked better than Firefox, most of the tech people switched to recommending Chrome, and it was bundled with a lot of software and advertised on the Google homepage. And nobody ever switched back, and they started justifying why in various ways.
  - Ygg2 4y ago
    Having to use and help family with Android phones. Just get Firefox mobile and install ad blocker. PiHole is good and dandy, but won't work on mobile net or public wifi.
  - ecmascript 4y ago
    Yes I agree that is probably a big cause for it as well.
- Santosh83 4y ago
  All that you say may be true, but if that stops the vast majority of tech community from using FF and installing it for their user support base, then we must be prepared for a Blink/Webkit only future, and maybe even Blink only in the worst case. What will the tech community do if Google starts promoting a certain political direction, if they haven't already? Will they stop seeking employment at Google, or stop using/developing for Chromium in protest? Sometimes the larger goals should outweigh the immediate disappointments.
  - ecmascript 4y ago
    You're preaching to the choir here. I don't like Google either and I avoid Google products as much as I can in my daily life. I agree with you that the future looks rather bleak and I put my hopes in that some new browser engine will be developed or that other browsers will start using the engine that's powering Firefox. If there will be a Blink only future I hope that regulators will force Google to invite others to decide what to do with it. > Sometimes the larger goals should outweigh the immediate disappointments. I agree and that's what make me feel bad, like there is no good choice available to me. I don't know what to do. It's just like the phone OS market, I dislike both realistic options (ios, android) but since my state and banks require me to use one of these I have to make a choice even if I rather use a linux based phone.

dr-detroit 4y ago

ecmascript 4y ago

Yes but before the tech community was all fire for Firefox. IT-guys installed it on work computers, school computers etc. We would recommend it to our families and install it for our less techy family when they would need our assistance. Firefox had the IT-sector with them. I think this does a lot for spreading the usage. Even just one IT-guy can probably give Firefox hundreds of users. Now, this is no longer the case and increasingly they have not only just been just as good or worse than chromium but they have gone out and actively angered a lot of their core user base with political things. It is a fine browser, I haven't said anything else. It is the leadership that is bad. I would definitely be one of their strongest promoters if Brendan Eich were CEO. But no, they kicked him out for a bs reason and employed a PC-dictator that fires most of the company and gives herself a promotion even though the usage is falling drastically. Then they post shit like this: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... https://book.mozillafestival.org/10-years-of-activism-community-and-collaboration/queering-mozfest-challenging-expectations-of-normal https://book.mozillafestival.org/10-years-of-activism-commun... and fund people like: https://www.mozillapulse.org/profile/3116 https://www.mozillapulse.org/profile/3116 If you consistently support specific political views it's not strange that the people who do not support these views will stop seeking them out and start recommending other browsers, how good Firefox may be doesn't really matter. They have turned Mozilla from a tech company to an activist company and now they will have to reap what they have sowed.

TremendousJudge 4y ago
All this talk about Mozilla's political views, what about the political views of the Google leadership? Why do they get a free pass? I think blaming the politics is a just-so story. I saw everyone adopt Chrome over the years since it came out, and it had nothing to do with the leadership of the Mozilla foundation, or Google for that matter. What happened is much simpler: Chrome worked better than Firefox, most of the tech people switched to recommending Chrome, and it was bundled with a lot of software and advertised on the Google homepage. And nobody ever switched back, and they started justifying why in various ways.
- Ygg2 4y ago
  Having to use and help family with Android phones. Just get Firefox mobile and install ad blocker. PiHole is good and dandy, but won't work on mobile net or public wifi.
- ecmascript 4y ago
  Yes I agree that is probably a big cause for it as well.
Santosh83 4y ago
All that you say may be true, but if that stops the vast majority of tech community from using FF and installing it for their user support base, then we must be prepared for a Blink/Webkit only future, and maybe even Blink only in the worst case. What will the tech community do if Google starts promoting a certain political direction, if they haven't already? Will they stop seeking employment at Google, or stop using/developing for Chromium in protest? Sometimes the larger goals should outweigh the immediate disappointments.
- ecmascript 4y ago
  You're preaching to the choir here. I don't like Google either and I avoid Google products as much as I can in my daily life. I agree with you that the future looks rather bleak and I put my hopes in that some new browser engine will be developed or that other browsers will start using the engine that's powering Firefox. If there will be a Blink only future I hope that regulators will force Google to invite others to decide what to do with it. > Sometimes the larger goals should outweigh the immediate disappointments. I agree and that's what make me feel bad, like there is no good choice available to me. I don't know what to do. It's just like the phone OS market, I dislike both realistic options (ios, android) but since my state and banks require me to use one of these I have to make a choice even if I rather use a linux based phone.