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Why on earth do some people think it’s okay to include USA with countries like Qatar? USA isn’t perfect, but being gay isn’t punishable by jail time here.

drno123 4y ago
Jail time is less bad than being killed by a drone while your country is invaded by the USA, or being killed by a school shooter in the USA because you have iduotic gun laws, or being killed by a policeman because you are not white.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Murder is illegal, reducing guns may help but your implication is that school shootings are legal and/or cultural accepted.
  - krapp 4y ago
    I think it can be argued that school shootings are culturally accepted. Many Americans seem to view them as a necessary price to pay for, and unavoidable consequence of, their Second Amendment freedoms, something I've seen argued numerous times. The gun culture ethos of "the only answer to a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun" implicitly normalizes the latter to justify the former. And then there's the fact that school shootings basically act as advertisements for the guns used, such that there's always a spike in guns sales after such an event.
  - tsol 4y ago
    So it's only bad if the government does it? The people doing it are American, it's indicative of something in society.
  - monkey_monkey 4y ago
    It's quite obvious that mass shootings are culturally acceptable in the USA. If they weren't, measures would have been taken to reduce their frequency, as has happened in many other countries in the world.
ceejayoz 4y ago
> USA isn’t perfect, but being gay isn’t punishable by jail time here. Well, not since 2003, at least. For now.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Were they sending gay people to jail in the USA pre 2003?
  - DocTomoe 4y ago
    Yes. And sometimes to the gallows. In fact, there were offenders still being convicted for this in 2018 [1] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/15/he-was-convicted-of-a-sex-act-thats-no-longer-a-crime-years-later-hes-deemed-a-sex-offender/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/1...
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coldtea 4y ago
Perhaps because their global death toll is much higher than Qatar, and they've fucked over way more countries than Qatar.
techdragon 4y ago
Yeah, but it is now illegal in at least one state to get your child medical care if they are trans… I’m not trying to do what about type stuff, just appalled at the myriad of conditions I see around the world.
- refurb 4y ago
  By that measure the US seems way better than Qatar, no? Or are you arguing the US isn’t perfect, in that case no country is.
  - techdragon 4y ago
    I’m sort of just appalled watching the madness unfold. Ennui is probably a good word for it. Ennui for a past moral high ground (that is likely a lot smaller than we think given how much got ignored)
pishpash 4y ago
Uh, Qatar exists because the USA props it up.
jhugo 4y ago
> Why on earth do some people think it’s okay to include USA with countries like Qatar? Of course they're not at all comparable, but it is worth pointing out that Qatar is a very close ally of the US, and that close relationship likely enables some of their behaviour, or at least makes it less likely that they will suffer negative consequences.
krapp 4y ago
>USA isn’t perfect, but being gay isn’t punishable by jail time here. Give it time. Texas and other Southern states currently seem to be in a race to see which state can out Nazi-analogy the other in regards to trans rights, abortion and religious propaganda in schools and those states historically also had (or still have) "anti-sodomy" laws. Outright criminalizing all LGBT identity and speech literally just depends on whether the Supreme Court lets the states turn the ratchet far enough, which they seem willing to do. It would absolutely have popular support among much of the country.

drno123 4y ago

Jail time is less bad than being killed by a drone while your country is invaded by the USA, or being killed by a school shooter in the USA because you have iduotic gun laws, or being killed by a policeman because you are not white.

themitigating 4y ago
Murder is illegal, reducing guns may help but your implication is that school shootings are legal and/or cultural accepted.
- krapp 4y ago
  I think it can be argued that school shootings are culturally accepted. Many Americans seem to view them as a necessary price to pay for, and unavoidable consequence of, their Second Amendment freedoms, something I've seen argued numerous times. The gun culture ethos of "the only answer to a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun" implicitly normalizes the latter to justify the former. And then there's the fact that school shootings basically act as advertisements for the guns used, such that there's always a spike in guns sales after such an event.
- tsol 4y ago
  So it's only bad if the government does it? The people doing it are American, it's indicative of something in society.
- monkey_monkey 4y ago
  It's quite obvious that mass shootings are culturally acceptable in the USA. If they weren't, measures would have been taken to reduce their frequency, as has happened in many other countries in the world.

ceejayoz 4y ago

> USA isn’t perfect, but being gay isn’t punishable by jail time here. Well, not since 2003, at least. For now.

themitigating 4y ago
Were they sending gay people to jail in the USA pre 2003?
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  Yes. And sometimes to the gallows. In fact, there were offenders still being convicted for this in 2018 [1] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/15/he-was-convicted-of-a-sex-act-thats-no-longer-a-crime-years-later-hes-deemed-a-sex-offender/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/1...

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coldtea 4y ago

Perhaps because their global death toll is much higher than Qatar, and they've fucked over way more countries than Qatar.

techdragon 4y ago

Yeah, but it is now illegal in at least one state to get your child medical care if they are trans… I’m not trying to do what about type stuff, just appalled at the myriad of conditions I see around the world.

refurb 4y ago
By that measure the US seems way better than Qatar, no? Or are you arguing the US isn’t perfect, in that case no country is.
- techdragon 4y ago
  I’m sort of just appalled watching the madness unfold. Ennui is probably a good word for it. Ennui for a past moral high ground (that is likely a lot smaller than we think given how much got ignored)

pishpash 4y ago

Uh, Qatar exists because the USA props it up.

jhugo 4y ago

> Why on earth do some people think it’s okay to include USA with countries like Qatar? Of course they're not at all comparable, but it is worth pointing out that Qatar is a very close ally of the US, and that close relationship likely enables some of their behaviour, or at least makes it less likely that they will suffer negative consequences.

krapp 4y ago

>USA isn’t perfect, but being gay isn’t punishable by jail time here. Give it time. Texas and other Southern states currently seem to be in a race to see which state can out Nazi-analogy the other in regards to trans rights, abortion and religious propaganda in schools and those states historically also had (or still have) "anti-sodomy" laws. Outright criminalizing all LGBT identity and speech literally just depends on whether the Supreme Court lets the states turn the ratchet far enough, which they seem willing to do. It would absolutely have popular support among much of the country.