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This is sarcasm, right?

by pmlnr 4y ago

charcircuit 4y ago
No. I think custom emoji and being able to use them as reactions are essential parts of what a chat app should have.
- usrn 4y ago
  Reactions are cancer. If you have something to say send a message. EDIT: I can't reply to your other message but having to deal with people editing their messages is awful in any real time chat. Once you send a message it's sent and if you want to make changes send a new message. I once had someone gaslight me using message editing in Slack and never ever want to deal with that again.
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    I want to reach with an emoji. Sure I could reply with a custom emoji, but reactions just is a better way to do it without adding extra noise to the conversation.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - cbm-vic-20 4y ago
    :(
- pmlnr 4y ago
  chat chăt intransitive verb 1) To converse in an easy, familiar manner; talk lightly and casually. 2) To participate in a synchronous exchange of remarks with one or more people over a computer network. No, reactions are not essential part of chat apps.
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    I'm not sure why you are giving a definition when it's also missing things like being able to edit or delete a message. In 2022 I have different expectations on what should be included compared to IRC which came out in the 90s.
    - welterde 4y ago
      I consider both anti-features for _instant_ messaging since it's easy to misuse by hitting enter first and then editing their message for half an hour. Which people do a lot and is quite annoying since it breaks the flow of conversation. Talking to a person also has none of those features, yet it's still as popular today as it was 300 years ago. And I view IRC just as the text-version of talking in person. So my expectations are that it has more or less the same feature set.
      - Minor49er 4y ago
        What about a compromise? If someone edits or deletes a message, those actions could be pushed to the client which chooses how to display that information
        welterde 4y ago
        I think there are some IRCv3 extensions in the works for that, but imho it will make it even more confusing since not everyone will be seeing the same thing (at least for the edits), but I guess we'll see how widespread the adoption of those extensions will be. And even with only partial support the delete function (if it's not limited to the user itself) gives way too much power to the ops/moderator (power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.).
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  - corobo 4y ago
    How do you do this chăt if there's nobody to talk to? Other users are kinda essential too. Reactions and images aren't essential for the strict interpretation of the word, but as everyone is used to them now you're not getting very far without them. Nobody wants to play multiplayer notepad in 2022.
    - jowsie 4y ago
      > Nobody wants to play multiplayer notepad in 2022. The fact IRC is still widely used disproves this quite clearly. I think the real issue is people who like Discord trying to convince people who like IRC that the Discord method is better, and vice versa. It's two pretty different demographics for the most part.
      - corobo 4y ago
        I'm not sure it's fair but my understanding is that Libera chat is the biggest network still going, with about 45k users. [1] Relatively that's not widely used. Back when I used IRC you'd see that many people disconnect from the network during a netsplit if you were a network admin. Honestly if 45k people for the top network is widely used it's just... kinda sad really. With modern resources you could probably get the the entire top 100 public networks running off a single machine. Look at Undernet, EFNet, DALNet! Those places used to have 100k users each on a slow day, they're barely reaching 10k now. User counts have halved since I last looked, and have been decimated (literal usage of the word, nice) since the days I actively used IRC. I'll accept that maybe today is a bad day for stats or something, but it doesn't look like there's many good days left. For clarity's sake I am still in the IRC demographic[2], but that's no use if no bugger else is using it. I'd love to get back into it if there's anywhere not-a-dead-software-support-channel to hang out but every time this comes up the usage stats just get smaller and smaller. For what it's worth I rarely use Discord and dislike that back-and-forth knowledge for software communities is now locked away behind some rando company's sign-up form. If I ever set up a new community it'll have to be forum based I think. [1] https://netsplit.de/networks/top100.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top100.php [2] Literally my entire career was born in IRC. Wanted to make an IRC bot, figured that out, some other stuff happened, was seen as a tech type, asked to help admin a network I frequented, learned how to admin a Linux box, time passes, got a job doing sysadmin work. I do miss IRC, made a whole bunch of internet friends on it and it took me down a career path I only sometimes regret.
  - krnlpnc 4y ago
    > 1) To converse in an easy, familiar manner; talk lightly and casually. 30 people leaving a reaction to an announcement is way easier than 30 lines of chat coming in at varying times. Same goes for things like +1 -1 feedback

This is sarcasm, right?

by pmlnr 4y ago

This is sarcasm, right?

charcircuit 4y ago

No. I think custom emoji and being able to use them as reactions are essential parts of what a chat app should have.

usrn 4y ago
Reactions are cancer. If you have something to say send a message. EDIT: I can't reply to your other message but having to deal with people editing their messages is awful in any real time chat. Once you send a message it's sent and if you want to make changes send a new message. I once had someone gaslight me using message editing in Slack and never ever want to deal with that again.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  I want to reach with an emoji. Sure I could reply with a custom emoji, but reactions just is a better way to do it without adding extra noise to the conversation.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- cbm-vic-20 4y ago
  :(
pmlnr 4y ago
chat chăt intransitive verb 1) To converse in an easy, familiar manner; talk lightly and casually. 2) To participate in a synchronous exchange of remarks with one or more people over a computer network. No, reactions are not essential part of chat apps.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  I'm not sure why you are giving a definition when it's also missing things like being able to edit or delete a message. In 2022 I have different expectations on what should be included compared to IRC which came out in the 90s.
  - welterde 4y ago
    I consider both anti-features for _instant_ messaging since it's easy to misuse by hitting enter first and then editing their message for half an hour. Which people do a lot and is quite annoying since it breaks the flow of conversation. Talking to a person also has none of those features, yet it's still as popular today as it was 300 years ago. And I view IRC just as the text-version of talking in person. So my expectations are that it has more or less the same feature set.
    - Minor49er 4y ago
      What about a compromise? If someone edits or deletes a message, those actions could be pushed to the client which chooses how to display that information
      - welterde 4y ago
        I think there are some IRCv3 extensions in the works for that, but imho it will make it even more confusing since not everyone will be seeing the same thing (at least for the edits), but I guess we'll see how widespread the adoption of those extensions will be. And even with only partial support the delete function (if it's not limited to the user itself) gives way too much power to the ops/moderator (power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.).
- deleted 4y ago
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- corobo 4y ago
  How do you do this chăt if there's nobody to talk to? Other users are kinda essential too. Reactions and images aren't essential for the strict interpretation of the word, but as everyone is used to them now you're not getting very far without them. Nobody wants to play multiplayer notepad in 2022.
  - jowsie 4y ago
    > Nobody wants to play multiplayer notepad in 2022. The fact IRC is still widely used disproves this quite clearly. I think the real issue is people who like Discord trying to convince people who like IRC that the Discord method is better, and vice versa. It's two pretty different demographics for the most part.
    - corobo 4y ago
      I'm not sure it's fair but my understanding is that Libera chat is the biggest network still going, with about 45k users. [1] Relatively that's not widely used. Back when I used IRC you'd see that many people disconnect from the network during a netsplit if you were a network admin. Honestly if 45k people for the top network is widely used it's just... kinda sad really. With modern resources you could probably get the the entire top 100 public networks running off a single machine. Look at Undernet, EFNet, DALNet! Those places used to have 100k users each on a slow day, they're barely reaching 10k now. User counts have halved since I last looked, and have been decimated (literal usage of the word, nice) since the days I actively used IRC. I'll accept that maybe today is a bad day for stats or something, but it doesn't look like there's many good days left. For clarity's sake I am still in the IRC demographic[2], but that's no use if no bugger else is using it. I'd love to get back into it if there's anywhere not-a-dead-software-support-channel to hang out but every time this comes up the usage stats just get smaller and smaller. For what it's worth I rarely use Discord and dislike that back-and-forth knowledge for software communities is now locked away behind some rando company's sign-up form. If I ever set up a new community it'll have to be forum based I think. [1] https://netsplit.de/networks/top100.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top100.php [2] Literally my entire career was born in IRC. Wanted to make an IRC bot, figured that out, some other stuff happened, was seen as a tech type, asked to help admin a network I frequented, learned how to admin a Linux box, time passes, got a job doing sysadmin work. I do miss IRC, made a whole bunch of internet friends on it and it took me down a career path I only sometimes regret.
- krnlpnc 4y ago
  > 1) To converse in an easy, familiar manner; talk lightly and casually. 30 people leaving a reaction to an announcement is way easier than 30 lines of chat coming in at varying times. Same goes for things like +1 -1 feedback